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Old 09-17-2013, 08:07 PM   #1
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Wasn't Kevin Spacey heavily involved with Netflix's House of Cards? Maybe that has experience has something to do with his comments.
Yeah, he's speaking directly in response to his Netflix experience.

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Old 09-18-2013, 01:05 AM   #2
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Yeah, he's speaking directly in response to his Netflix experience.
Someone needs to kill this man.

I'm pretty sure 10 minutes of him talking could convince me to **** my dog for Jesus because global warming is killing the sand snakes in the Sahara...
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:18 PM   #3
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Someone needs to kill this man.

I'm pretty sure 10 minutes of him talking could convince me to **** my dog for Jesus because global warming is killing the sand snakes in the Sahara...


He'd make a damn good politician, wouldn't he?
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:08 PM   #4
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Wasn't Kevin Spacey heavily involved with Netflix's House of Cards? Maybe that has experience has something to do with his comments.
When famous actors are listed as "Producer", it's done for revenue sharing, not any "real" production work.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:09 PM   #5
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When famous actors are listed as "Producer", its due to revenue sharing, not any "real" production work.
I wasn't making any kind of comment about that. I've never seen the show, so I have no idea how he was billed...
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:17 PM   #6
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Did anyone watch any of the Amazon pilots they threw up a few months back? I guess people voted and they are taking 2 or 3 of them to series.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:59 PM   #7
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Game of Thrones viewership is a deceptive thing. Initial airing primetime finale numbers did cap at 5.4 million, but including all airings of each episode for the season, they're up to over 14.2 million viewers per (I'm not sure this includes DVR numbers or not, probably does). They're probably going to pass Sopranos viewership numbers next season. Show's turned into a real juggernaut as far as premium cable goes. It's also an incredibly expensive show.

In any case, Nielson ratings are still ****ed to all hell, but they're adjusting at least. So many of us now are streaming and dvr'ing. Which is great for us, but terrible for the networks because their advertisers all know what it means (we're not watching their ads).
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:05 PM   #8
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Game of Thrones viewership is a deceptive thing. Initial airing primetime finale numbers did cap at 5.4 million, but including all airings of each episode for the season, they're up to over 14.2 million viewers per (I'm not sure this includes DVR numbers or not, probably does). They're probably going to pass Sopranos viewership numbers next season. Show's turned into a real juggernaut as far as premium cable goes. It's also an incredibly expensive show.

In any case, Nielson ratings are still ****ed to all hell, but they're adjusting at least. So many of us now are streaming and dvr'ing. Which is great for us, but terrible for the networks because their advertisers all know what it means (we're not watching their ads).
Actually, it's not that expensive. It's about $3.5 to $4.0 million per episode. That's cheap.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:08 PM   #9
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Actually, it's not that expensive. It's about $3.5 to $4.0 million per episode. That's cheap.
I think that's only around half their budget per episode.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:11 PM   #10
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I think that's only around half their budget per episode.
They have 10 episodes per year and spend anywhere from $35 million to $45 million per season, so it's not that expensive, especially compared to network shows in which the stars earn anywhere from $1-7 million per.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:15 PM   #11
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They have 10 episodes per year and spend anywhere from $35 million to $45 million per season, so it's not that expensive, especially compared to network shows in which the stars earn anywhere from $1-7 million per.
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With the ambitious "Game of Thrones," spiraling costs are a risk. The reported budget for season one was about $60 million; costs increased by roughly 15% for season two, says Michael Lombardo, HBO's president of programming.
Now those are year-old figures, but unless they cut the budget in half for season 3, your numbers might be off...
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:55 PM   #12
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Yeah, he's speaking directly in response to his Netflix experience.
And his premise if flawed.

Once you and everyone else in America pays $7.99 per month to watch Fox, CBS, ABC and NBC, things will change.

Until then, no.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:05 PM   #13
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The big 4 aren't what they used to be. The landscape has changed dramatically just in my/our lifetime, with the advent and explosion of cable and satellite and streaming, and I think it's a safe bet that it's going to continue to change over the next 40 years. Now, into what, I wouldn't venture a guess.

It just struck me that I actually remember a time when we had a television with rabbit ears that got (I think) ABC, NBC and PBS (I don't remember fox). I remember getting cable for the first time, and a VHS player (never had beta, eventually got DVD). And now I'm sitting 10 feet away from a flat screen TV with access to hundreds of channels, many of them in HD, along with a bluray player. And at a computer with access to youtube and hulu and hbo go. Near a Kindle with the same.

And I wonder why I get nothing done.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:14 PM   #14
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The big 4 aren't what they used to be. The landscape has changed dramatically just in my/our lifetime, with the advent and explosion of cable and satellite and streaming, and I think it's a safe bet that it's going to continue to change over the next 40 years. Now, into what, I wouldn't venture a guess.
As long as the "Free" networks remain advertiser driven, pilot season will exist.

It's really easy to sit back and say "Netflix has a great model!" when Netflix is charging $7.99 a month for their service. They have money to spare and if House of Cards was a failure, they'd still be profitable.

Fox, CBS and NBC shell out a billion dollars a year for the NFL alone and barely break even. Those networks just can't put any old show on the air and expect to earn revenues.

Again, it's driven by advertisers, not by people willing to pay for their service.
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As long as the "Free" networks remain advertiser driven, pilot season will exist.
I think that's what's going to change. Eventually.

You may not have seen my addition to my last post. Go back and look if you didn't. You'll probably mirror my recollection.

And that's how the landscape has changed, in a nutshell: we're overwhelmed with entertainment options and choices that I don't think we could have even imagined 35 years ago.
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