Chiefs Who were the clowns that claimed RGIII isn't that good? - Page 11

Hoover · 11-23-2012, 09:51 AM

I never thought RGIII would be this good. He's been every impressive. That said, Cam Newton was impressive last year and sucks this year, so the jury is still going to be out for a while.

mcaj22 · 11-23-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I never thought RGIII would be this good. He's been every impressive. That said, Cam Newton was impressive last year and sucks this year, so the jury is still going to be out for a while.

there is a HUGE difference between the two

a lot of people thought Cam Newton would be a bust, or not as good as what he did his rookie year.

Cam Newton came back to reality to what many expected of him this year. It also doesnt help Cam that he has no talent and garbage coaching around him.

RG3 does too, but he also has the Rat, the mini Rat, and an owner that will spend whatever it takes to put talent around RG3 in the coming years.

Cam Newton has an owner giving 40 million to a RB that does nothing, 100 million to an overrated DE, etc.

Cam Newton was also a nobody besides that big year he came out, and was caught in a scandal at Auburn, and had that shit with his dad being his agent or whatever the hell. There was tons of red flags. RG3 was an every 10 years type of class player.

Skyy God · 11-23-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I never thought RGIII would be this good. He's been every impressive. That said, Cam Newton was impressive last year and sucks this year, so the jury is still going to be out for a while.

Will RG3 have some regression in his 2nd season? Probably, but Cam didn't show the same accuracy, maturity, or decision-making.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2012, 10:16 AM

Last year was a very rare draft. It wasn't who's good and who sucks there were two completely different QB's who were both legit.

The Colts took the guy most like the guy that left.

The Skins took the guy best suited to what they wanted to run in their offense.

I will agree that a lot of fans thought less of RGIII because they figured Black QB that can run = great athlete but dumb as hell.

Nein.

RGIII is extremely intelligent and could run any offense out there...

okcchief · 11-23-2012, 10:24 AM

I would have traded the whole ****ing Draft for Luck or RG3 then and would do it today. Now that we are going to have a top 2 pick I don't have unwavering confidence in any of them. The life of a ****ing Chiefs fan

**Rausch** · 11-23-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

I would have traded the whole ****ing Draft for Luck or RG3 then and would do it today. Now that we are going to have a top 2 pick I don't have unwavering confidence in any of them.

This.

But I'm willing to believe in something different.

We tried Pioli and it didn't work.

It happens. Lamar had failures as well.

But identify them, end them, and move forward...

Chief Roundup · 11-23-2012, 10:39 AM

I take it some of you guys don't watch many of the games or sportscenter or Total Access or NFL Live.

T-post Tom · 11-23-2012, 10:43 AM

I don't read every thread, but honestly, I don't get the racism accusations against the posters here. I've seen huge props given out to RGIII, Cam and Gino. I've seen some negative comments, but they were all performance based. Can the accuser(s) here (Bump) site some examples of racist comments against black QBs? I hope this accusation is NOT based strictly on performance comments. If that's the case, then Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Scott Pioli must all be black.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

I don't read every thread, but honestly, I don't get the racism accusations against the posters here. I've seen huge props given out to RGIII, Cam and Gino. I've seen some negative comments, but they were all performance based. Can the accuser(s) here (Bump) site some examples of racist comments against black QBs? I hope this accusation is NOT based strictly on performance comments. If that's the case, then Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Scott Pioli must all be black.

Cam is super talented but dumb as a mud brick. His ceiling is limited at QB.

RG III has a completely different build and has the intelligence to fit any offense.

The athletic QB has become the new sexy. It just is.

That said there will still be some hold outs, no matter the play, that say "just another dumb ****er running with the football..."

This is life...

T-post Tom · 11-23-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Cam is super talented but dumb as a mud brick. His ceiling is limited at QB.

RG III has a completely different build and has the intelligence to fit any offense.

The athletic QB has become the new sexy. It just is.

That said there will still be some hold outs, no matter the play, that say "just another dumb ****er running with the football..."

This is life...

Maybe (I don't know enough to comment on Cam or RG's intelligence), but I still don't recall reading any racist posts on black QBs. A person's preference on QB style (pocket passer vs. running QB) doesn't have to be about race. Just because I like athletic QBs that can run, doesn't mean I'm prejudice against white QBs. Even if most white QBs are pocket passers.

I think we need to acknowledge that despite stereotypes and preferences for style of play, the vast majority of posters here are concerned with the quality of QB play and NOT the QB race/ethnicity. To assign a racist agenda to the entire board deserves a rebuttal.

Joe Seahawk · 11-23-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Maybe (I don't know enough to comment on Cam or RG's intelligence), but I still don't recall reading any racist posts on black QBs. A person's preference on QB style (pocket passer vs. running QB) doesn't have to be about race. Just because I like athletic QBs that can run, doesn't mean I'm prejudice against white QBs. Even if most white QBs are pocket passers.

I think we need to acknowledge that despite stereotypes and preferences for style of play, the vast majority of posters here are concerned with the quality of QB play and NOT the QB race/ethnicity. To assign a racist agenda to the entire board deserves a rebuttal.

Exactly!

**Rausch** · 11-23-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

A person's preference on QB style (pocket passer vs. running QB) doesn't have to be about race.

Still, it's always a factor.

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

To assign a racist agenda to the entire board deserves a rebuttal.

I don't think it's the fans I think it's the NFL.

Race doesn't play an issue?

Ok.

How many white RB's or WR's were taken in the 1st over the last 10 years?

That's ****ing 68.4% of the population of this country.

And how many white HB's or WR's were worth spending a 1st on?...

chiefzilla1501 · 11-23-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Still, it's always a factor.

I don't think it's the fans I think it's the NFL.

Race doesn't play an issue?

Ok.

How many white RB's or WR's were taken in the 1st over the last 10 years?

That's ****ing 68.4% of the population of this country.

And how many white HB's or WR's were worth spending a 1st on?...

That's based on pure physical characteristics. There is physical evidence that says you can or can't. Leadership, football iq, and character are heavily influenced by opinion.

How many white rbs had the complete physical package?

Chief Roundup · 11-23-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Still, it's always a factor.

I don't think it's the fans I think it's the NFL.

Race doesn't play an issue?

Ok.

How many white RB's or WR's were taken in the 1st over the last 10 years?

That's ****ing 68.4% of the population of this country.

And how many white HB's or WR's were worth spending a 1st on?...

Race will be a factor as long as the "human" factor is involved.
People no matter their race can't help what they are naturally good at or naturally bad at.
It is merely other people wanting to say look the blacks or the whites are better at this or that. Who cares what color your skin. Just do what you are good at. Somebody wanting to use these type of statistics for anything racial is just not a very good person and should lose all credibility.
I don't care that someone is better at something than I am because I will be better than they are at something. It is just the way life is for all of us.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-24-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Maybe (I don't know enough to comment on Cam or RG's intelligence), but I still don't recall reading any racist posts on black QBs. A person's preference on QB style (pocket passer vs. running QB) doesn't have to be about race. Just because I like athletic QBs that can run, doesn't mean I'm prejudice against white QBs. Even if most white QBs are pocket passers.

I think we need to acknowledge that despite stereotypes and preferences for style of play, the vast majority of posters here are concerned with the quality of QB play and NOT the QB race/ethnicity. To assign a racist agenda to the entire board deserves a rebuttal.

Perhaps this has nothing to do with race. It also has nothing to do with data/reality. Vailpass noted:

"Running is what he does, regardless of how bad you want to think otherwise."

11-23-2012, 09:51 AM	#1
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11-23-2012, 10:43 AM	#8
T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4487293	I don't read every thread, but honestly, I don't get the racism accusations against the posters here. I've seen huge props given out to RGIII, Cam and Gino. I've seen some negative comments, but they were all performance based. Can the accuser(s) here (Bump) site some examples of racist comments against black QBs? I hope this accusation is NOT based strictly on performance comments. If that's the case, then Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Scott Pioli must all be black. __________________ You seem nice!
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