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Old 11-13-2012, 11:55 PM   #1
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Yeah that would be a neat change of pace.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:18 PM   #2
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You know what Id loved to have seen?

Todd Haley with a LEGIT QB prospect in KC.

Look at what he has done EVERYWHERE ELSE he a has had one of those.
How much of "Haley's success" is due to Haley?

An elite QB can overcome a dipshit HC/OC (Peyton).

A good HC/OC can design an offense around the shortfalls of his QB and be competitive (Harbaugh/Smith).
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:21 PM   #3
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How much of "Haley's success" is due to Haley?

An elite QB can overcome a dipshit HC/OC (Peyton).

A good HC/OC can design an offense around the shortfalls of his QB and be competitive (Harbaugh/Smith).
no, the 49ers are designed around that fierce defense.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:22 PM   #4
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no, the 49ers are designed around that fierce defense.
Explain why it never came together until Harbaugh came to town.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:25 PM   #5
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Explain why it never came together until Harbaugh came to town.
well, JH did improve the team and it came from some tweaks to the offense -- mainly a boot up their collective ass. Gore is playing better this season, the WR's are playing better also, and of course, Alex Smith is more consistent. But as far as what makes the 49ers a force, it all starts with the defense. JH is a lot like Haley, he has the whole team playing up to speed, just needs to be more consistent.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:26 PM   #6
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Explain why it never came together until Harbaugh came to town.
^^^This.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:29 AM   #7
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Of course haley should have been fired. The team was awful last year.

Crennell shouldn't finish out the season this year, either.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:47 AM   #8
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I think Haley was perceived as a bad game day coach because he was saddled to a QB he didn't believe in.

When a man (Haley) is without water (a QB) and walking through the desert (the NFL), he might have to drink his own pee (fake punt with Brodie Croyle) to stay alive.

People that have water whenever they want see a man drinking his own pee as crazy.

Unfortunately, Haley had to drink his own pee a lot because Pioli wouldnt allow him a glass of water.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:50 AM   #9
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I think Haley was perceived as a bad game day coach because he was saddled to a QB he didn't believe in.

When a man (Haley) is without water (a QB) and walking through the desert (the NFL), he might have to drink his own pee (fake punt with Brodie Croyle) to stay alive.

People that have water whenever they want see a man drinking his own pee as crazy.

Unfortunately, Haley had to drink his own pee a lot because Pioli wouldnt allow him a glass of water.
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Haley was unorganized and sucked.

End of story.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:48 AM   #10
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Haley was perceived as a bad gameday coach because...he was a bad gameday coach.

This is being romanticized just a bit much.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:51 AM   #11
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Haley was perceived as a bad gameday coach because...he was a bad gameday coach.

This is being romanticized just a bit much.
He still has a lot to learn. No question and the same can be said about EVERY play caller in the NFL.

But, I dont think its fair to judge him on his time with such a limited passer as Matt Cassel.
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He still has a lot to learn. No question and the same can be said about EVERY play caller in the NFL.

But, I dont think its fair to judge him on his time with such a limited passer as Matt Cassel.
That's the kind of mindset that leads to discussions with stuff like "it's not fair to judge Cassel until his line is better". I hope someday we as a fanbase can move away from that kind of stuff. We're so predisposed to settle.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:00 AM   #13
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That's the kind of mindset that leads to discussions with stuff like "it's not fair to judge Cassel until his line is better". I hope someday we as a fanbase can move away from that kind of stuff. We're so predisposed to settle.
How do you think this team would have played in 2011 if we had signed a guy like Hasselbback or drafted a guy like Dalton to take over for Cassel when he got hurt?

Do you think Haley would have still gotten fired?

Of course not.

The guy made chicken salad out of chicken shit in 2010 and you can only hide a turn for so long before people start asking why it stinks.
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How do you think this team would have played in 2011 if we had signed a guy like Hasselbback or drafted a guy like Dalton to take over for Cassel when he got hurt?

Do you think Haley would have still gotten fired?
I think the results would have been virtually the same. I think Haley was more a part of the problem than he was a victim of circumstance. I think 2010 was an aberration for him as much as it was for Cassel. And I think things have gotten so bad right now that it's easy to take a rosy view of a time that really wasn't very good in its own right.

I also think there are many more issues behind the scenes than just Haley or just Cassel. We're oversimplifying what I think amounts to a pretty complex failure.
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How do you think this team would have played in 2011 if we had signed a guy like Hasselbback or drafted a guy like Dalton to take over for Cassel when he got hurt?

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What's really sad is that through watching/hearing about Haselbeck's relationship w/ Locker and what a wonderful mentor he's been for him, I realize we could have had that. Hasselbeck could have made Dalton even better than he is now.
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