Flanagan:McCluster could be Andy Reid’s secret weapon

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A guy returns one punt, needing only to juke a 270 pound fullback - and does nothing for the next two years - and he's a weapon around these parts.

Holy shit, I miss the comedy this joint offers.

Nobody is calling him a weapon, nor is there anybody saying he's played well.
I think he's played like garbage and has had flashes of intriguing moments, and even more flashes of career-limiting flaws. I think most would agree with that here.

But if overreacting to one big punt is bad, so is overreacting and saying he has absolutely nothing to offer. There are some of us, myself included, who are interested in seeing how Reid plans to use him.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Nobody is calling him a weapon, nor is there anybody saying he's played well.
I think he's played like garbage and has had flashes of intriguing moments, and even more flashes of career-limiting flaws. I think most would agree with that here.

But if overreacting to one big punt is bad, so is overreacting and saying he has absolutely nothing to offer. There are some of us, myself included, who are interested in seeing how Reid plans to use him.

I'd like to know what you consider flashes of intriguing moments.

He's been used in every damn way imaginable over 3 years, one of which under Weis - so I'm not sure what people expect him to magically turn into under Reid.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'd like to know what you consider flashes of intriguing moments.

He's been used in every damn way imaginable over 3 years, one of which under Weis - so I'm not sure what people expect him to magically turn into under Reid.

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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

a not so smelly turd?
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Better than bad does not equal good, perfume on a pig, and so on...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'd like to know what you consider flashes of intriguing moments.

He's been used in every damn way imaginable over 3 years, one of which under Weis - so I'm not sure what people expect him to magically turn into under Reid.

Dexter McCluster's upside is operating in space. He is too small to play in traffic. I was most intrigued with how he played with Orton. Orton, unlike Cassel, spread the field out and knew how to find secondary options and hit them in stride. Cassel didn't do those things.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ter-49-yd-pass
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...s-the-end-zone
The biggest thing to note in those videos is how much more spread out the field looks because Orton actually forced defenses to honor the pass.

He actually hasn't been bad at RB, other than not holding on to the ball. He's been a disaster as a receiver and returner, and some of that could be because of comfort level. I want to see him coached as a receiver (not a RB, like Haley did in 2011), I want an offense that spreads the defense out, and I want a QB who can at least find the second option and hit him in stride. So no, I don't agree that we've necessarily seen exactly who he is. But yeah, this is his absolute last chance to prove it.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dexter McCluster's upside is operating in space. He is too small to play in traffic. I was most intrigued with how he played with Orton. Orton, unlike Cassel, spread the field out and knew how to find secondary options and hit them in stride. Cassel didn't do those things.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ter-49-yd-pass
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...s-the-end-zone
The biggest thing to note in those videos is how much more spread out the field looks because Orton actually forced defenses to honor the pass.

He actually hasn't been bad at RB, other than not holding on to the ball. He's been a disaster as a receiver and returner, and some of that could be because of comfort level. I want to see him coached as a receiver (not a RB, like Haley did in 2011), I want an offense that spreads the defense out, and I want a QB who can at least find the second option and hit him in stride. So no, I don't agree that we've necessarily seen exactly who he is. But yeah, this is his absolute last chance to prove it.

Poorly executed defense in those videos.

McCluster did absolutely jack to support your stupid ****ing arguments.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Poorly executed defense in those videos.

McCluster did absolutely jack to support your stupid ****ing arguments.

There is no way you can watch the HB screen and make the phooey argument people are making in this thread that he is not fast and that he doesn't have any kind of cut moves. It was a nice run, regardless of the defense, and most importantly it's a move where he ran at full speed with defenders spaced out.

It supports my argument because I'm talking about flashes, I'm not talking about this being some proof that he's good.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is no way you can watch the HB screen and make the phooey argument people are making in this thread that he is not fast and that he doesn't have any kind of cut moves. It was a nice run, regardless of the defense, and most importantly it's a move where he ran at full speed with defenders spaced out.

It supports my argument because I'm talking about flashes, I'm not talking about this being some proof that he's good.

Casey Weigman took out the only defender that had any chance at making a tackle early in that play.

The rest of the run was in open space with no defender in position to make a tackle until he reached the 3 yard line.

It was pure shitty defense.

McCluster did absolutely nothing to support your ****ing stupidity.

You're a dumb shit without a ****ing clue.

And he didn't make any special ****ing cut that any slapdick couldn't make, you dipshit.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dexter McCluster's upside is operating in space. He is too small to play in traffic. I was most intrigued with how he played with Orton. Orton, unlike Cassel, spread the field out and knew how to find secondary options and hit them in stride. Cassel didn't do those things.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ter-49-yd-pass
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...s-the-end-zone
The biggest thing to note in those videos is how much more spread out the field looks because Orton actually forced defenses to honor the pass.

He actually hasn't been bad at RB, other than not holding on to the ball. He's been a disaster as a receiver and returner, and some of that could be because of comfort level. I want to see him coached as a receiver (not a RB, like Haley did in 2011), I want an offense that spreads the defense out, and I want a QB who can at least find the second option and hit him in stride. So no, I don't agree that we've necessarily seen exactly who he is. But yeah, this is his absolute last chance to prove it.

Any running back on an NFL roster should have been able to do what McCluster did on the TD run there. That was a simple one-cut run in which the defense did a TERRIBLE job of contain on the outside (at all levels).

Screen pass is a decent play.

Those flashes don't do anything to dispel the facts:

McCluster is too short and not fast enough to be a consistent threat out of the backfield or (Especially) as a WR.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Any running back on an NFL roster should have been able to do what McCluster did on the TD run there. That was a simple one-cut run in which the defense did a TERRIBLE job of contain on the outside (at all levels).

Screen pass is a decent play.

Those flashes don't do anything to dispel the facts:

McCluster is too short and not fast enough to be a consistent threat out of the backfield or (Especially) as a WR.

In mid-run, he splits the defenders which doesn't happen if he's not moving really fast. He is trailed by Tyvon Branch (he runs a 4.26 40) and completely outruns him. He is finally tracked down by Matt Giordano who had a good angle on McCluster.

This was a very fast run, even if it was a nice blocking play and a pure defensive play. He flat-out outruns several very fast Oakland secondary defenders. That's what I'm talking about with flashing. And I seriously can't believe people would use this clip to suggest it was not a fast run.

So the idea that he's not fast enough is total bullshit. I agree that him being short limits him, and that he hasn't been nearly consistent enough (flashes aren't good enough).

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In mid-run, he splits the defenders which doesn't happen if he's not moving really fast. He is trailed by Tyvon Branch (he runs a 4.26 40) and completely outruns him. He is finally tracked down by Matt Giordano who had a good angle on McCluster.

This was a very fast run, even if it was a nice blocking play and a pure defensive play. He flat-out outruns several very fast Oakland secondary defenders. That's what I'm talking about with flashing. And I seriously can't believe people would use this clip to suggest it was not a fast run.

So the idea that he's not fast enough is total bullshit. I agree that him being short limits him, and that he hasn't been nearly consistent enough (flashes aren't good enough).

He isn't trailed by Branch.

Branch has has no angle and gets chipped, taking away any chance he might have had.