Chiefs Chiefs better get a New DB fast. Denver and Wes ? - Page 21

DJ's left nut · 03-13-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

. He is an idito, but if Welker doesn't have 8+ catches, at least three of which are converting first down, against you guys in his first game against the Chiefs, I'll eat my hat.

But yeah, he's not what Exoter seems to think.

Like I said, he's smart to have latched on with Manning. That's the only guy in the NFL that uses his slot receivers as well as Brady.

Your numbers for Welker are fair but it'll be because of Manning, not Welker. 8 is maybe a wee high though; we've shut him down before - 6 seems like a good figure. In the end, if Welker's catching 8, I'm happy. Those are 2 balls that could've gone to Thomas and Thomas may do some real damage with them.

ThaVirus · 03-13-2013, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

if Welker doesn't have 8+ catches, at least three of which are converting first down, against you guys in his first game against the Chiefs, I'll eat my hat.

Ill hold you to that.

Sorter · 03-13-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Why? If Amendola stays healthy this isn't really a problem. They went younger and Amendola has comparable skills. All else being equal, that's fine. I will say that Welker's stock has been hurt by some key drops the last two years. Before that, I hardly remember any drops, but the last two years, OUCH.

We love him. He's been a fan favorite, but we've seen this play before. Older players get churned over RELENTLESSLY under Belichick. Richard Seymour was only the most glaring example.

Bottom line, if Amendola and the TEs stay healthy and we get a solid Z, then our offense should be perfectly fine.

And he wasn't even that old.

Bottom line, Pats will not over pay for old players unless they are HOF talents (Randy Moss says "**** yeah bitches") but even Randy didn't get overpaid.

Amnorix · 03-13-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception

And he wasn't even that old.

Bottom line, Pats will not over pay for old players unless they are HOF talents (Randy Moss says "**** yeah bitches") but even Randy didn't get overpaid.

Yep.

Seymour was 29 when we traded him away. It was him or Wilfork, and Pats decided to keep Wilfork. Brutal to lose him, but the right call. According to reports he wasn't the best locker room guy for the Pats either, so between that and the mega-contract he wanted and his age, his time was up in NE.

Mile High Mania · 03-14-2013, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception

And he wasn't even that old.

Bottom line, Pats will not over pay for old players unless they are HOF talents (Randy Moss says "**** yeah bitches") but even Randy didn't get overpaid.

I get all that and they've played the game well to avoid cap issues... but, they're rolling dice with Danny. Dude has missed 20 games in the last 2 seasons thanks to injury. There are 'similarities' between him and Welker, but that's about it right now.

Seems like a gamble they could have avoided to me considering how many years Brady likely has left and the price paid for Danny, compared to Wes.

Amnorix · 03-14-2013, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Seems like a gamble they could have avoided to me considering how many years Brady likely has left and the price paid for Danny, compared to Wes.

Boston sports talk radio is basically taking this position, which certainly does make alot of sense.

Seems like the right answer here is resign Wes for 2-3 years and try to find a bigger outside WR threat to better complement the rest of our talent, not to roll the dice by getting younger but more injury prone...

I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't think I favor this move. I'm not sure that the drops don't have something to do with it. They have to have started wearing on BB.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-13-2013, 04:47 PM

Won't mean shit when father time catches up to Papa Peyton. Hell, that or more cold, postseason weather shriveling the nutsack.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-13-2013, 04:51 PM

You don't go out and force a move because of this shit. If you can get a guy for the right price fine, but don't panic and break the bank for a Sean Smith cause the Donx signed Welker.

DJ's left nut · 03-13-2013, 05:14 PM

Because Amendola doesn't have Welker's superior hands.

Mile High Mania · 03-13-2013, 05:30 PM

Yep - Danny Amendola signs with NE... another Texas Tech receiver, 5-9 and started in 17 of 42 games with STL over the last 4 seasons. Not a bad player ... nobody thought much of Welker when they pulled him out of Miami either, so we'll see.

5 year deal I think... $35M with $10M guaranteed?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-13-2013, 05:32 PM

If he stays healthy it really won't be much of a drop off at all if any. Danny can play. Problem is he won't.

Mile High Mania · 03-13-2013, 05:48 PM

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If he stays healthy it really won't be much of a drop off at all if any. Danny can play. Problem is he won't.

Durability is his problem, only played 1 full season and missed 20 games the last 2 seasons. Good luck with all that.

Amnorix · 03-13-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Durability is his problem, only played 1 full season and missed 20 games the last 2 seasons. Good luck with all that.

Wes has been very, very durable, but at some point he's going to start breaking down pretty fast, I think. He's taken an absolutely hellacious beating the last five years. With the sheer volume of catches he's made, it's almost RB-esque. That might be part of why the Pats want to move on.

Not saying he WILL break down in the next two years, mind you. If there's one thing I've learned, it's NOT to underestimate Welker. Guy is a stud.

DJ's left nut · 03-13-2013, 05:32 PM

I'm looking forward to Danny Amendola becoming the most dangerous WR in the league.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-13-2013, 05:34 PM

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I'm looking forward to Danny Amendola becoming the most dangerous WR in the league.

Not reading this whole abortion, but did someone lay that claim to Lil Wes?

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