The Night Of

[Bowser]

Well, between this episode and last week's episode of Ray Donovan, HBO has now filled their quota of gratuitous black cock shots for the year. Hopefully.


Freddy is going to turn Naz into a hardened lifer, if Naz isn't careful.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Well, between this episode and last week's episode of Ray Donovan, HBO has now filled their quota of gratuitous black cock shots for the year. Hopefully.


Freddy is going to turn Naz into a hardened lifer, if Naz isn't careful.

Ray Donovan is Showtime.

[Mizzou_8541]

The flashing lights at the end...any thoughts on that? Stone waking up in ER after chasing Reed into the building?

[Simply Red]

Let's DO THISSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Red Beans]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

Let's DO THISSS!!!!!!!!!!!

Yaaasssss!

[Coochie liquor]

Ready for the episode.

[Simply Red]

Me too! I am predicting the foot issue is on the upswing. I'm hoping.

[Coochie liquor]

So why didn't we find out what happened at the end of last weeks episode? Stone went into that building chasing the guy, then the blue lights. Then no mention of it this week. Did I miss something?

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

So why didn't we find out what happened at the end of last weeks episode? Stone went into that building chasing the guy, then the blue lights. Then no mention of it this week. Did I miss something?

I think some things are out of order or will be answered as we scoot into next week. There was a void there - but they'll go back to it - most likely when they're in court - then break to THAT part - or something along those lines. I hope that made sense.

By the way - Turturro got some nice new kicks, huh?

[Baby Lee]

Horrible writing

"listen, opening statement is a memo, not the Gettysburg Address."

Way to hammer home the idea of being informative, but succinct, by purposefully distancing it from one of the most succinctly informative speeches in history.

Unless the point was to paint John as a blowhard dope, more mouth than brain.

EDIT to add: The scene with John as King of Shit Mountain at the eczema support group was sublime.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Horrible writing

"listen, opening statement is a memo, not the Gettysburg Address."

Way to hammer home the idea of being informative, but succinct, by purposefully distancing it from one of the most succinctly informative speeches in history.

Unless the point was to paint John as a blowhard dope, more mouth than brain.

EDIT to add: The scene with John as King of Shit Mountain at the eczema support group was sublime.

I dunno, I kind of agree that brethren the opening and closing, the opening is a basic outlay of the case, and the closing is the Gettysburg address

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I dunno, I kind of agree that brethren the opening and closing, the opening is a basic outlay of the case, and the closing is the Gettysburg address

Interesting, do you feel that the advice was purposefully crafted to convince Chandra to be more utilitarian in her opening rather than more succinct?

My sense was the writers were trying to get across the sense that Chandra shouldn't bog the jury down with a Magnum Opus off the bat, only they forgot [or never bothered to learn] that the Gettysburg Address is renowned for how economically it lays out it's case.

It's a fricken 2 minute speech that fundamentally changed the nature and purpose of a nation.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Interesting, do you feel that the advice was purposefully crafted to convince Chandra to be more utilitarian in her opening rather than more succinct?

My sense was the writers were trying to get across the sense that Chandra shouldn't bog the jury down with a Magnum Opus off the bat, only they forgot [or never bothered to learn] that the Gettysburg Address is renowned for how economically it lays out it's case.

It's a fricken 2 minute speech that fundamentally changed the nature and purpose of a nation.

I guess it depends on who you feel they are utilizing the Gettysburg address - for it's length or for it's impact.

I took it to be for impact, the Gettysburg Address is famous for it's content, not it's length. Therefore in my mind, he's saying save your best for last.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I guess it depends on who you feel they are utilizing the Gettysburg address - for it's length or for it's impact.

I took it to be for impact, the Gettysburg Address is famous for it's content, not it's length. Therefore in my mind, he's saying save your best for last.

I could see that, but it's a pretty obscure and sophisticated tact to just fling off so nonchalantly, yet still present as sage advice.

Generally opening statements follow a few maxims.

1. Don't bog down
2. Don't overpromise
3. KISS

This ties in with a general speechmaking maxim throughout the proceedings of;

1. Tell them what you're going to tell them,
2. Tell them,
3. Tell them what you told them.

The tact of 'don't do too good a job up front' is not one I've run across. Seems if they were serious about it, they'd explain their rationale a little better.

I mean, logistically, opening statement is the one portion you have to most opportunity to prepare for, without having to adjust for in-proceeding developments. What if you had something in your opening statement that would have completely thwarted a line of reasoning by the prosecution, only you saved it for closing and prosecution established their line of reasoning unimpeded?

[Red Beans]

I'm convinced that we're not going to see the resolution of the mystery, only the resolution of the trial.