Your OROTY is...

[tk13]

It's hard to compare because Luck was thrown in the deep end in terms of a complex passing offense, just like Manning was. In fact Arians said Luck was doing things with the offense that Manning didn't do his rookie year. And Manning threw 28 INT his rookie year.

It's not a surprise, often times rookie QB's who succeed have a top shelf RB and defense. Roethlisberger, Sanchez, Dalton, etc. Russell Wilson had the #1 defense in the league, and a top 3 rushing attack. RGIII didn't have the defense though... but they were the #1 rushing attack in the league. The Colts were in the 20's in both rushing and defense. I would guess there's never been a rookie QB post a winning record, let alone make the playoffs, with a rushing attack and defense ranked that poorly.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by tk13

It's hard to compare because Luck was thrown in the deep end in terms of a complex passing offense, just like Manning was. In fact Arians said Luck was doing things with the offense that Manning didn't do his rookie year. And Manning threw 28 INT his rookie year.

It's not a surprise, often times rookie QB's who succeed have a top shelf RB and defense. Roethlisberger, Sanchez, Dalton, etc. Russell Wilson had the #1 defense in the league, and a top 3 rushing attack. RGIII didn't have the defense though... but they were the #1 rushing attack in the league. The Colts were in the 20's in both rushing and defense. I would guess there's never been a rookie QB post a winning record, let alone make the playoffs, with a rushing attack and defense ranked that poorly.

They were the #1 rushing attack because of him though. They went from #25 to #1 in one season.

Of course Alfred Morris is pretty good, but the read option and RGIII are the real reason they were the best ground team in the league.

[tk13]

No doubt about that. Although you could take RGIII's rushing yards completely away and they'd still be a top 10 rushing attack. He had a top shelf RB. But really the main point was more that Luck won games with his arm, as a rookie, with little else. I'm not sure there's another rookie QB in recent history you can compare that too... aside from 1st year starters like Kurt Warner.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by tk13

No doubt about that. Although you could take RGIII's rushing yards completely away and they'd still be a top 10 rushing attack. He had a top shelf RB. But really the main point was more that Luck won games with his arm, as a rookie, with little else. I'm not sure there's another rookie QB in recent history you can compare that too... aside from 1st year starters like Kurt Warner.

Eh, you couldn't even do that. The threat of RGIII beating you with his legs did a shit ton to take the pressure off of Morris. There's really no sure-fire way of telling how much credit to give each guy, but its my opinion that it was like 75% RGIII/read-option and 25% Morris.

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Turnovers are irrelevant if they don't result in losses.

When you're gauging individual performance turnovers are extremely relevant.

For all the talk of Luck having a shit defense, they did a decent job of bailing him out and keeping games close until the end for him to be in a position to win it.

[Setsuna]

Kuechley was the undisputed DROY but that's just BS. Wilson deserved it. Pathetic.

Also Colts had 2nd weakest schedule in the league. So all you Luck wankers can GTFO.

[milkman]

If they switched teams now, I would stil be saying that Wilson will have more SBs.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by milkman

If they switched teams now, I would stil be saying that Wilson will have more SBs.

Okay old man. Enough for tonight.

I think Russell was better than both and should have been the winner. But he will win SBs because his team is a SB contender.

[ThaVirus]

Its like some of you never even watched Wilson play this season.

The dude has pinpoint accuracy, he makes all the throws, he makes great decisions, he shows poise in the pocket, he can extend plays while inside the pocket, he can run the ball extremely effectively, and most importantly, he knows when to tuck it and run/how not to take big hits.

There's no doubt in my mind that he was the most mature rookie QB this season as far as their play on the field would indicate. The only argument anyone has against him is his height (which he's shown means exactly jack and shit) and his strong supporting cast.

[threebag]

And the midgets

[spades]

luck should have won it


the colts had 40 million in dead cap space. yet he took them to the playoffs. they had zero defense and no running game. wilson and rg3 had good to great running games.

arians also had luck throwing downfield every damn play. reeruned use of a qb with no oline.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by spades

luck should have won it


the colts had 40 million in dead cap space. yet he took them to the playoffs. they had zero defense and no running game. wilson and rg3 had good to great running games.

arians also had luck throwing downfield every damn play. reeruned use of a qb with no oline.

I lean toward Luck as well, just for how much he was asked to throw this season and still produce at a high level. They are all good QBs. With RGIII injury prone being an issue I'd draft them Luck, Wilson then.... RGIII

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by spades

luck should have won it


the colts had 40 million in dead cap space. yet he took them to the playoffs. they had zero defense and no running game. wilson and rg3 had good to great running games.

arians also had luck throwing downfield every damn play. reeruned use of a qb with no oline.

Wilson and RGIII MADE their running games great. Lynch had never averaged more than 4 YPC in his entire career.

The idea that Marshawn Lynch is some great RB is ****ing ridiculous. Not hard to run when the read option opens up GAPING holes for the back.

Warrick Dunn and T.J. Duckett put up all-pro numbers as runners with Vick as their QB...

God damn people are dense. Do people watch games?

Luck was good this year for a rookie...but he also looked like a rookie.

Wilson was mediocre at best for the first part of the season...but once it clicked (and it clicked) he was arguably the best QB in the freaking NFL for the last 3 months of the season.

I have ****ing no idea how anyone can argue otherwise.

[spades]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Wilson and RGIII MADE their running games great. Lynch had never averaged more than 4 YPC in his entire career.

The idea that Marshawn Lynch is some great RB is ****ing ridiculous. Not hard to run when the read option opens up GAPING holes for the back.

Warrick Dunn and T.J. Duckett put up all-pro numbers as runners with Vick as their QB...

God damn people are dense. Do people watch games?

Luck was good this year for a rookie...but he also looked like a rookie.

Wilson was mediocre at best for the first part of the season...but once it clicked (and it clicked) he was arguably the best QB in the freaking NFL for the last 3 months of the season.

I have ****ing no idea how anyone can argue otherwise.

haha

you are hilarious

[Joe Seahawk]

I would have loved to see Russel win it (BTW, how was he not the pro bowl MVP?) But, you cant go wrong with any of these 3 as OROTY this year.

I love how Wilson says "Go Hawks" at the end of every interview.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-honors...FL-Honors-red-

[tk13]

I've watched the midget play plenty of times. Get outta here with that. He did a great job. And most importantly he has a great work ethic, so he'll keep working as defenses start adjusting to the read option.

But Luck is a robot built to play QB. These comments I read on the internet claiming Wilson is so far ahead of these other guys or more mature don't know what they're talking about. Luck set rookie records for yards, yards in a single game, 300 yard games, game winning drives, and on and on. It's really kind of amazing that people have just glossed over it all because he doesn't run like Barry Sanders. It's almost like no one noticed. He probably had the best passing season by a rookie in NFL history. How can you argue otherwise? I don't know how you can say the QB who led the league in game winning drives didn't show poise. You look at other highly touted #1 QBs like both Mannings and Stafford, and they did not throw more TDs than INTs their first year. Luck not only did that but lifted an average (likely below average) team to the playoffs.

Matt Cassel averaged more yards/game passing than Russell Wilson did this year. Although Wilson did average about 30 yards rushing a game. Maybe it won't matter... you do have to have some semblance of a team. You need a franchise QB to win, but the best QB doesn't win every year. Russell Wilson with the #1 defense might have a better shot than Luck with a bottom third defense. That may be true. Joe Flacco certainly hasn't been the best regular season QB the last couple years but he's been a different guy in the playoffs. Meanwhile Rodgers and Brees both played out of their mind in 2011 and their teams bombed in the playoffs.