Cardinals ***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 162

**BigRedChief** · 08:16 PM

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.

Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.

The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.

Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:

* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.

The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.

The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.

The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.

The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.

The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

Pepe Silvia · 06-26-2013, 07:30 PM

**BigRedChief** · 06-26-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerinMo

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Is Lynn getting a "Garcia" type of headcase? throwing a no hitter and has a meltdown.

Isn't that the 2nd one in 3 games?

**BigRedChief** · 06-26-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

With Martinez, perhaps b/c they don't think his size is projectable over the long term.

everything I've ever read said the Cardinals were high on him. Right behind Miller. Where are you getting this information?

Pepe Silvia · 06-26-2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Is Lynn getting a "Garcia" type of headcase? throwing a no hitter and has a meltdown.

Isn't that the 2nd one in 3 games?

At least, wasn't he just shelled in his last start?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-26-2013, 08:40 PM

What the **** is going on here? I leave to a 3-0 lead with us ****ing up Bedard and come back to this shit?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-26-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

everything I've ever read said the Cardinals were high on him. Right behind Miller. Where are you getting this information?

Pure conjecture. I was offering potential reasons why they might want to move one of the top flight prospects.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-26-2013, 08:45 PM

Don't you ever **** with Kevin Siegrist.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-26-2013, 08:57 PM

Marcellus · 06-26-2013, 08:58 PM

****ing ridiculous to lose to the ****ing Astros. ****ing ****s.

**BigRedChief** · 06-26-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What the **** is going on here? I leave to a 3-0 lead with us ****ing up Bedard and come back to this shit?

Lynn had a meltdown for an inning.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-26-2013, 09:01 PM

8-8 over the last 16 games.

**BigRedChief** · 06-26-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

****ing ridiculous to lose to the ****ing Astros. ****ing ****s.

After getting swept at home. Thought maybe that had lit a fire under them after last night. But no............ the funk continues and we are tied for 1st place now.

Pepe Silvia · 06-26-2013, 11:11 PM

I hope it doesn't get any worse than this, we've played like shit lately.

VAChief · 06-27-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Martinez continues to tear it up down in Memphis. 0 earned runs, 3 hits, 102 pitches in 7 2/3rds. Little Pedro needs to get the call up, not trade for another SP.

I know they are rumors but if true, why are we considering giving up cost controlled top shelf talent for a starter?

What am I missing here?

I don't think you are missing anything. The latest article stated Martinez was virtually untouchable, and Wacha nearly. If they were going to be dangled I think you would see them up right now. Instead they are spacing out their innings so they can call them up later. If you were planning on dealing them why be so gentle with their innings?

I realize nothing is for certain, but I just don't see anyone out there that is a possible SP trade target that would cost a value like Martinez. Lee would, but his contract isn't something we normally take on, it is something we for the most part avoid.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-27-2013, 05:36 PM

I just don't have a good feeling about things. This reminds me of when LaRussa's teams would spend months trying to get over the 10 games over .500 hump and played mediocre baseball almost endlessly.

The biggest problem is that there is no realistic solution to our woes.

The bullpen is fine, but I do think Matheny has overworked Rosenthal. Hopefully Siegrist will help change that. Blazek has looked nice as well.

Jackson should be given a shot, and I have no idea why he's not.

Jay is an issue and the only real solution is Taveras, who cannot stay healthy this year.

We have no viable lefty starters.

We cannot hit LHP.

This team will continue to struggle as its RISP avg. regresses to a sustainable clip unless it can improve some of these areas.

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