We wanted Paxton Lynch

[CanadaKC]

…this is probably old news here…but Lee Steinberg was on sports radio today saying how the Chiefs were scrambling to move up to get him, only to be outdone by the Broncos. We were actually thinking of drafting a QBOTF? Here's hoping we actually win one of these "trade up" scenarios and steal the player, rather than the enemy stealing him.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure, then again Gary is not known for developing QB's either.

He's known for calling the plays for some pretty good offenses... I'm not going to get into a stat debate. Anything he did as OC in Denver will be given to Shanahan, right or wrong. He navigated the post-Elway years with Griese and then Plummer. Jake turned out all right in that short term, but then those successes will be given to the RBs and Shanahan.

Houston was sporadic, but then again - they have been since becoming a team. He took over Houston in the final year of the Carr failure, they traded for Schaub. Schaub had a number of solid seasons, but they had the curse of being in IND's division. Flacco had his best season the year Kubiak was there.

So, to suggest the guy just sucks would be silly. Aside from Griese, this is the one true time he'll have to 'develop' a QB. We'll see how it goes.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

He's known for calling the plays for some pretty good offenses... I'm not going to get into a stat debate. Anything he did as OC in Denver will be given to Shanahan, right or wrong. He navigated the post-Elway years with Griese and then Plummer. Jake turned out all right in that short term, but then those successes will be given to the RBs and Shanahan.

Houston was sporadic, but then again - they have been since becoming a team. He took over Houston in the final year of the Carr failure, they traded for Schaub. Schaub had a number of solid seasons, but they had the curse of being in IND's division. Flacco had his best season the year Kubiak was there.

So, to suggest the guy just sucks would be silly. Aside from Griese, this is the one true time he'll have to 'develop' a QB. We'll see how it goes.

I'm not saying his offensive system suck, predictable maybe... But, Gary is the reason Peyton didn't end up in Houston (Choose to stick with Shaub) its IRONY that he needed Peyton to win a SB.

What I'm saying is that Lynch could be good, I just don't think he is suited for Garys offense.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

So you're, now, essentially repeating what I've been saying all off-season...that Elway botched this situation in a horrible way and the guy he traded for will likely be benched by game 5. He's been riding the "Manning influence" coat-tails for 4 years...the cracks in his "used car salesman shtick" are starting to show.

KC just signed a back-up that is better than anyone on the Broncos roster....

Ha... no. I've never disagreed on the reasoning as to why they made the move to Sanchez. He was an extra poker chip, they lost that hand. They're far from going all-in and busting.

I've never once said they acquired Sanchez because they believed he was a possible starter in this offense short or long-term. And, it's hard to argue that players came to Denver to play with Manning as the Broncos were clearly in a 4 year 'SB or Bust' mode.

Never have I said it was all Elway. Elway made the moves, got the deals done. Losing Brock and Malik isn't going to erase the positives. What he does now with the team is what will define his legacy. You want to bury him after a few months post-Manning. I'm going to let it develop and see how it goes.

We are two extremes - you hate all that happens in Denver and mock it. Anything bad that happens is all their doing, anything good is because of outside help. Knowmo and others are on that far side that thinks he is Midas. I'm more center right... they have done a lot of great things, and even though there have been some stumbles, they'll keep things going in the right direction.

I've been a fan of this team since the early 80s... history says, I can be comfortable. We might experience some bumps in the road, and that's fine - hell it should be expected. The fun will be watching it develop.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I'm not saying his offensive system suck, predictable maybe... But, Gary is the reason Peyton didn't end up in Houston (Choose to stick with Shaub) its IRONY that he needed Peyton to win a SB.

What I'm saying is that Lynch could be good, I just don't think he is suited for Garys offense.

Yeah, who knows. In the end, it worked out for both.

We'll see what works in the system.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, who knows. In the end, it worked out for both.

We'll see what works in the system.

I think you guys should throw the season to get the QB from Uni. Ok

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

What he does now with the team is what will define his legacy.

Well..he's off to terrible start. Lost both QBs and didn't have the financial resources to even replace one. That's essentially his responsibility...to maintain a competitive roster and manage the cap.

He's left a championship caliber defense with Sanchez as their only QB with experience. If were fan of the team...I would be pissed. That should never happen...

[RodInCanton]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Well..he's off to terrible start. Lost both QBs and didn't have the financial resources to even replace one. That's essentially his responsibility...to maintain a competitive roster and manage the cap.

He's left a championship caliber defense with Sanchez as their only QB with experience. If were fan of the team...I would be pissed. That should never happen...

In the 5 years Elway has been in charge, we have never lost an AFC championship, been to two super bowls winning 1, we have a lot of young good talent drafted and acquired via UDFA. Throw in some great FA signings and you have the nucleus of a very good team. The Broncos may have to step back this year as they figure out their QB situation but all they need is somebody who can QB as good as Dilfer did w/ the Ravens. If one is not on the roster this year then you try again next!

Overall, the only people who cannot be happy w/ his performance as GM is other teams in the AFC West since we have been dominant over this time.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by RodInCanton

In the 5 years Elway has been in charge, we have never lost an AFC championship, been to two super bowls winning 1, we have a lot of young good talent drafted and acquired via UDFA. Throw in some great FA signings and you have the nucleus of a very good team. The Broncos may have to step back this year as they figure out their QB situation but all they need is somebody who can QB as good as Dilfer did w/ the Ravens. If one is not on the roster this year then you try again next!

Overall, the only people who cannot be happy w/ his performance as GM is other teams in the AFC West since we have been dominant over this time.

His AFCW performance is directly a result of having Manningstein fall in his lap...and the players that followed him due to it. Sanders didn't sign there because Elway is a genius. If Peyton goes to the Titans...KC would have owned the division since Reid/Dorsey arrived. Elway is more lucky than skillful as a GM.

His snake oil is starting wash away...take a hard look at the QB/O-line situation this pre-season. He's set Kubiak up to fail.

[RodInCanton]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

His AFCW performance is directly a result of having Manningstein fall in his lap...and the players that followed him due to it. Sanders didn't sign there because Elway is a genius. If Peyton goes to the Titans...KC would have owned the division since Reid/Dorsey arrived. Elway is more lucky than skillful as a GM.

His snake oil is starting wash away...take a hard look at the QB/O-line situation this pre-season. He's set Kubiak up to fail.

Not even taking free agents into account (since Manning signed them), here are the players Elway was responsible for bringing onto the team. Throw in the already mentioned championships and it seems pretty good for a 5 year haul!
Players he has drafted:
Von Miller(stud), Julius Thomas (signed big contract w/ Jacksonville), Nate Irving (signed contract w/ Colts starting ILB), Virgil Green (starting TE), Orlando Franklin (signed big contract w/ Chargers), Rahim Moore (Browns safety, made one of the most cringe-worthy plays in Broncos history), Danny Trevathan (Good player, signed big contract w/ Bears), Malik Jackson (great player, signed huge contract), Omar Bolden (Good 5 years as backup and quality special teamer - signed w/ Chicago), Ronnie Hillman (serviceable at best backup RB), Brock Osweiler (signed huge contract w/ Texans), Derek Wolfe (really good player re-signed under market value), Sylvester Williams (make or break year, has the talent but the desire?), Kayvon Webster (Great special teamer and backup DB), Corey Nelson (first two years were developmental - challenging for a starting ILB role), Matt Paradis (starting center and looked good last year), Michael Schofield (backup tackle at most, possible move to G), Cody Latimer (Put up or shut up year) Bradley Roby (One of the best if not the best 3rd CB - would be a 2nd or 1st CB on most teams), Trevor Siemian (possible starting QB - don't know what he can do),Darius Kilgo (2nd year player stepping up to primary backup for NT), Max Garcia (starting G), Ty Sambrailo (starting LT as a rookie until hurt - looking at RG this year), Shane Ray (great pass rusher who will play 1st and 2nd downs for Demarcus Ware)
Undrafted Free Agents
Chris Harris (Complete stud and one of the best CB), Brandon Marshall (very good LB), Duke Ihenacho (great special teamer/ok safety going into 5th year w/ Redskins), Steven Johnson (serviceable LB w/ Steelers), Mike Remmers (starting RT for Panthers), C.J. Anderson(starting RB), Lerentee McCray (looking good in Packers camp after 2 years w/ Broncos), Shaquil Barrett (really good OLB), Bennie Fowler(decent receiver), Juwan Thompson (serviceable blocking RB/good ST), Kenny Anunike (good DL should get his chance w/ Malik Jackson gone)

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Great another limp dick Homer

[ct]

we here on CP were even talking pre-draft about baiting the broncos for lynch

this isn't new news

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

His AFCW performance is directly a result of having Manningstein fall in his lap...and the players that followed him due to it. Sanders didn't sign there because Elway is a genius. If Peyton goes to the Titans...KC would have owned the division since Reid/Dorsey arrived. Elway is more lucky than skillful as a GM.

His snake oil is starting wash away...take a hard look at the QB/O-line situation this pre-season. He's set Kubiak up to fail.

Ok. Well, it's not like they drew Manning's name out of a hat and were awarded his service... the guy was a player that many were scared to death to sign. Elway did what he needed/wanted to do to move beyond Tebow.

You're too wrapped up in a few things that happened this year that somehow trump all the things that happened in the last 4 years. And, that's fine. You'll never have an inkling of respect for the guy or the team and that's totally cool.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by ct

we here on CP were even talking pre-draft about baiting the broncos for lynch

this isn't new news

Hahahaha... ok, now you guys need some credit for this. Classic. Well, thank you for baiting/tricking my team into doing this.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He was headed to Frisco till the under the table cash hit

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

He was headed to Frisco till the under the table cash hit

Sure. I'm still a pretty firm believer that he was never going to sign in the NFC for purely family reasons, not competing with knocking Eli out of another SB shot and the prospect of a possible Manning Bowl.