Dorsey is a FAKE

[New World Order]

Executive of the year? This is the same guy who had his choice of ANY player in college football and he drafted Eric Fisher. Your argument could be he traded for Alex Smith, but wasn't that Andy Reid's idea? Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper? Those pickups looked great for the first half of the year when we were playing quarterbacks like Jeff Tuel. Dunta Robinson looked like he had aids this year, another "big time FA signing." Travis Kelce, Nico Johnson, Sanders Commings, Eric Kush? I thought Dorsey was a gm who could find value at the top of the draft.

I have a bad feeling this year and next will resemble the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We do well and then the bottom drops out.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's total horse shit. So if Fisher hypothetically becomes an all pro by year 3, we should call him a bust because he wasn't NFL ready? Dude, they passed on the safe pick, which was Joeckl. Who by the way, was worse than Fisher. NOBODY expected Fisher to contribute right away having come from a small school and playing a completely different position.

And most people here aren't giving reasons Fisher was a good pick. I hated the pick. I'm just tired of people treating him to this ridiculous standard, when in fact most of the players we advocated for sucked just as badly in their rookie season. Guess what... they're all rookies. So I don't give a shit how well Austin, Fisher, or Jordan did this season.

You can't compare Joeckel and Fisher because Joeckel didn't have the ability to improve as the season progressed the same way Fisher (supposedly) has.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Excuses. All of them.

Tackles drafted that high shouldn't struggle, period. It's the ONLY reason to take one that high, the ONLY reason.

Horrible pick, there's no way to spin out of it.

A left tackle from the MAC goes top overall. Seriously. Fisher looked scrawny for a tackle on draft day, and looked like he was swimming in his jersey during training camp. Shit, Tavon Austin might end up having been a better top overall pick. Hell, maybe even Keenan Allen.


I hold out hope that he can develop, but this pick to this point looks to be about equal with the Robert Gallery pick (sorry htishawkeye). Maybe not even that good.

[mcaj22]

Dorsey also came out and said the #1 pick was down to three players, they scouted three heavily. So Fisher was never consensus, like say Pioli was the consensus on reaching for Tyson Jackson.

Fisher was picked for his untapped potential, his size and his comparisons to Joe Staley who came from the same school. He could end up good but the fact that he didn't show really any flashes, was hurt, then got benched for a 3rd round pick is caused for concern. Even the other raw developmental picks like TJax and Poe were never even benched in their first years, and in Poes case he at least SHOWED flashes his first season, where you could watch the games and say "ya know, with a real coach this kid is going to be good." Have you honestly seen that from Fisher in his first year? If you can say yes with a straight face, I'd be glad to hear it. But the facts are, Stephenson came in, Schwartz came in for Asamoah and the offense got better. The passing game was better, Alex Smith wasn't being smashed by guys coming off the edge clean as much, the running game was 100x better, and the offense took off the 2nd half the season. The facts are there whether you like it or not.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Excuses. All of them.

Tackles drafted that high shouldn't struggle, period. It's the ONLY reason to take one that high, the ONLY reason.

Horrible pick, there's no way to spin out of it.

I seem to recall I was making this argument to all the dumbasses who were on Poe's case last year because he wasn't NFL ready. Like Poe, Fisher came from a small school. He had to make that giant leap to the NFL, let alone at a new position. Due to new CBA rules, he had a shortened offseason and missed a lot of quality reps because he was hurt.

This year, he has a full offseason to learn. He will benefit from a full strength program which he badly needs. He will hopefully be 100% for the first time in his NFL career. He will hopefully return to his natural position at Left Tackle which he is much better suited to play than Right Tackle. And he will be a year smarter and more experienced.

I don't believe in just giving him the starting job. But we haven't come close to seeing what he's capable of.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Dorsey also came out and said the #1 pick was down to three players, they scouted three heavily. So Fisher was never consensus, like say Pioli was the consensus on reaching for Tyson Jackson.

Fisher was picked for his untapped potential, his size and his comparisons to Joe Staley who came from the same school. He could end up good but the fact that he didn't show really any flashes, was hurt, then got benched for a 3rd round pick is caused for concern. Even the other raw developmental picks like TJax and Poe were never even benched in their first years, and in Poes case he at least SHOWED flashes his first season, where you could watch the games and say "ya know, with a real coach this kid is going to be good." Have you honestly seen that from Fisher in his first year? If you can say yes with a straight face, I'd be glad to hear it. But the facts are, Stephenson came in, Schwartz came in for Asamoah and the offense got better. The passing game was better, Alex Smith wasn't being smashed by guys coming off the edge clean as much, the running game was 100x better, and the offense took off the 2nd half the season. The facts are there whether you like it or not.

[Easy 6]

All of the ****ing anger and name calling, typical Planet.

Trying to say what Fisher is or isn't going to be is pointless right now... there is no good reason to not be atleast a little optimistic about the guy right now.

He DID have his moments, he let Von Miller do exactly jack and squat among others, not bad for a rookie... if - after an offseason in the weight room and just the simple fact that things slow down dramatically for most guys in their second year - he doesn't improve... then yes, let the bust labels begin.

But jumping down someones throat for thinking things aren't ALL BAD with the guy is BOGUS... if he's getting bull rushed and jacking up his shoulder every other game next year that's one thing, but right now, proclaiming AWFUL is just trying to make oneself feel superior, IMO.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Dorsey also came out and said the #1 pick was down to three players, they scouted three heavily. So Fisher was never consensus, like say Pioli was the consensus on reaching for Tyson Jackson.

Fisher was picked for his untapped potential, his size and his comparisons to Joe Staley who came from the same school. He could end up good but the fact that he didn't show really any flashes, was hurt, then got benched for a 3rd round pick is caused for concern. Even the other raw developmental picks like TJax and Poe were never even benched in their first years, and in Poes case he at least SHOWED flashes his first season, where you could watch the games and say "ya know, with a real coach this kid is going to be good." Have you honestly seen that from Fisher in his first year? If you can say yes with a straight face, I'd be glad to hear it. But the facts are, Stephenson came in, Schwartz came in for Asamoah and the offense got better. The passing game was better, Alex Smith wasn't being smashed by guys coming off the edge clean as much, the running game was 100x better, and the offense took off the 2nd half the season. The facts are there whether you like it or not.

Fisher has shown many times that he's very athletic for a Tackle. He gets up the field in a hurry. He too often relies on the wrong technique, which will come with experience. And he got overmatched, which will improve with a true offseason conditioning program and a healthier shoulder. He will also benefit from playing Left Tackle, which is much less of a power position. These aren't guarantees he'll get better. But they're definitely reasons to be optimistic.

And stop with this BS that this offense looked great without him, and terrible with him. Alex Smith was the biggest reason for the turnaround, not Fisher. Fisher played very solid against Buffalo, but Smith shit the bed. Stephenson was the main guy who got exposed against Indy in the regular season. And Fisher played very well against Von Miller and Orakpo. He went from being a complete liability in the first half of the season, to playing at least well enough that you didn't notice him. That's not what you want from your 1.1, but it's not nearly as bad as his critics want to make him out to be.

[Easy 6]

Saying Fisher didn't have any "flashes" is yet more crap.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by scott free

Saying Fisher didn't have any "flashes" is yet more crap.

A top overall pick offensive tackle shouldn't have "flashes". He should dominate from the jump. I don't seem to recall Jake Long, Joe Staley, or Joe Thomas coming in and just showing "flashes".

I want Fisher to be the real deal, I really do. After his first year, I have my doubts about him being that rock at left tackle for us for the next 5+ years. Hopefully he gets healthy, packs on some muscle weight this offseason, and actually becomes a left tackle somehow.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offense had bar FAR its best performance with Fisher on the injury list.

Exactly, such a waste of a pick.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's total horse shit. So if Fisher hypothetically becomes an all pro by year 3, we should call him a bust because he wasn't NFL ready? Dude, they passed on the safe pick, which was Joeckl. Who by the way, was worse than Fisher. NOBODY expected Fisher to contribute right away having come from a small school and playing a completely different position.

And most people here aren't giving reasons Fisher was a good pick. I hated the pick. I'm just tired of people treating him to this ridiculous standard, when in fact most of the players we advocated for sucked just as badly in their rookie season. Guess what... they're all rookies. So I don't give a shit how well Austin, Fisher, or Jordan did this season.

This reminds me of the ra ra speeches supporters of Tyson Jackson gave:

"Hey, he might not be good, but at least he isn't the worst!"

The only exception is he just might be the worst.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by scott free

Saying Fisher didn't have any "flashes" is yet more crap.

you're right. It's us having to lower our standards for OUR NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK. Pat him on the back when he "shows flashes" like he is a late first round pick or a mid round pick. We treat our first overall pick like a 3rd round pick.

Fisher sandwiched between Andrew Luck and whatever QB will be taken first this year. Chiefs way.

[Sassy Squatch]

new world order trying to be a cheap knockoff of Clay is funny

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

new world order trying to be a cheap knockoff of Clay is funny

I bring the truth and sometimes the truth hurts:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=270356

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by New World Order

This reminds me of the ra ra speeches supporters of Tyson Jackson gave:

"Hey, he might not be good, but at least he isn't the worst!"

The only exception is he just might be the worst.

There were no ra ra speeches about Jackson. I don't know why you keep bringing that example up, because it's a lousy one. Everyone knew the Chiefs reached big time for Jackson. And everybody knew his limitations, but thought he could become a good 2-gap run defender. They were right, by the way.

Jackson is a million times better than he was his rookie season. More than anything, he ended up being a terrific player for a defense that's no longer relevant. If he was drafted 10 years ago when the 2-gap 3-4 was still effective, he would have been an excellent pick.