Dorsey is a FAKE

[New World Order]

Executive of the year? This is the same guy who had his choice of ANY player in college football and he drafted Eric Fisher. Your argument could be he traded for Alex Smith, but wasn't that Andy Reid's idea? Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper? Those pickups looked great for the first half of the year when we were playing quarterbacks like Jeff Tuel. Dunta Robinson looked like he had aids this year, another "big time FA signing." Travis Kelce, Nico Johnson, Sanders Commings, Eric Kush? I thought Dorsey was a gm who could find value at the top of the draft.

I have a bad feeling this year and next will resemble the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We do well and then the bottom drops out.

[RobBlake]

let's be real.. if chiefs some how got past the pats/broncos.. seahawks were going to slaughter you, and that's meant as no insult.. no afc team, hell most NFC teams can't match up against their defense this year. This draft is full of great offensive and defensive players. Don't give up on Dorsey yet.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Chiefs, and therefore Dorsey, selected an offensive tackle from a mediocre, mid-major school who was benched in the playoffs due to a lack of skill and injury history even though this was a "consensus" can't-miss and supposedly safe pick.

The fact that this doesn't trouble most of the posters on this board makes me shake my head.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Chiefs, and therefore Dorsey, selected an offensive tackle from a mediocre, mid-major school who was benched in the playoffs due to a lack of skill and injury history even though this was a "consensus" can't-miss and supposedly safe pick.

The fact that this doesn't trouble most of the posters on this board makes me shake my head.

well the guy on the bench that replaced him is clearly way better than him. Same as Schwartz being better than Asamoah. And I hope it's a fair competition in training camp this year and Fisher doesn't just get it because of where he was picked and we have to go through the growing pains. If Stephenson is the better LT, he should start there no matter what.

I'm afraid Albert is going to walk and they are going to give it to Fisher by default.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Chiefs, and therefore Dorsey, selected an offensive tackle from a mediocre, mid-major school who was benched in the playoffs due to a lack of skill and injury history even though this was a "consensus" can't-miss and supposedly safe pick.

The fact that this doesn't trouble most of the posters on this board makes me shake my head.

I'm not a fan of the Chiefs taking a Left Tackle.

But there is a ridiculous amount of exaggeration here.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

well the guy on the bench that replaced him is clearly way better than him. Same as Schwartz being better than Asamoah. And I hope it's a fair competition in training camp this year and Fisher doesn't just get it because of where he was picked and we have to go through the growing pains. If Stephenson is the better LT, he should start there no matter what.

I'm afraid Albert is going to walk and they are going to give it to Fisher by default.

Stephenson was okay for most of the season. Don't know where this "way better" bullshit is coming from. He played better for a guy who was healthy and for a guy who was walking into his 2nd season, versus a guy playing a new position, playing hurt most of the season, and in a shortened offseason.

JFC. He was a ****ing rookie. I hope like hell we never draft a QB, because this place is going to be flipping their shit every time a rookie QB makes a mistake.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Fisher might be the only tackle taken 1.1 that needs to add weight to his frame. Shouldn't the first ****ing pick in the entire draft be ready day 1?

Weren't people on this board interested in Tavon Austin and Dion Jordan? How did they do this year? Sheldon Richardson is really the only guy on people's target list for 1.1 that had a good year.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I really don't have a problem with people being hopeful about Fisher.

It just irks me when people say "he's gonna be fine" or "he's going to be a good LT" when the evidence suggests otherwise at this point.

I don't really have a problem with people being pessimistic about Fisher.

it just irks me when people say "he's horrible" or "he's never going to be a good LT" when evidence just doesn't confirm anything except he made progress at this point.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The people that think he might be a bust have infinitely more evidence to support their position.

You can't say he was serviceable when he couldn't even stay on the field...

OPINION! Can you honestly say he didn't show improvement?

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I would rather have Ziggy Ansah, Bark Mingo, hell even Tavon Austin would be perfect control depth for our departing FA McCluster.

I'd even take Fluker or Lane Johnson over the RT we got, as they have looked 1000x better than Fisher this season. Outside of the top 10, Sheldon Richardson and Star is a crime that they slipped that far.

That's the problem with Fisher, he's not even going to be the best TACKLE out of this draft.

Yeah? And I would rather say I cheered for the Seattle Seahawks this year, now that we know the outcome! Any one year it's easy to pick favorites, after it's over. You can NOT predict Fishers career after predraft workouts, combine results, or one season. STOP pretending you know so much about this game! It is soooooo pretentious, errogant, annoying and OLD. Get over yourself!

And that is directed at all the arm chair GMs

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What the **** are you talking about?

The majority of the Tyson Jackson defenders knew he was a reach, but didn't think he was a complete bust. They (including me) viewed him as a guy who could become a good run defender and purely a 5-tech but was too slow to pass rush. We weren't that far off.

Eric Fisher was a consensus #1 pick on most draft boards. And he projected to be a good starting Left Tackle, not just a gimmick.

Eric Fisher deserves time. There are plenty of reasons outside of talent why he struggled in 2013.

There's also the point that Dorsey had no part of the Jackson pick so it should be questioned as to the relevance in a Dorsey review thread

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by New World Order

That's a pretty broad question. What part of my life would you like me to start from?

I'd be impressed if you could find a starting point I'd care about

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Weren't people on this board interested in Tavon Austin and Dion Jordan? How did they do this year? Sheldon Richardson is really the only guy on people's target list for 1.1 that had a good year.

Tavon Austin in our O and on our STs would be SICK!!!

He certainly had Indy's #.

I'm still rooting for Fisher's development, but Austin is a bona fide asset.

If he can stay healthy, I see I cross between Devon Hester and Steve Smith in his future.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Executive of the year? This is the same guy who had his choice of ANY player in college football and he drafted Eric Fisher. Your argument could be he traded for Alex Smith, but wasn't that Andy Reid's idea? Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper? Those pickups looked great for the first half of the year when we were playing quarterbacks like Jeff Tuel. Dunta Robinson looked like he had aids this year, another "big time FA signing." Travis Kelce, Nico Johnson, Sanders Commings, Eric Kush? I thought Dorsey was a gm who could find value at the top of the draft.

I have a bad feeling this year and next will resemble the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We do well and then the bottom drops out.

You're a special kind of reerun...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Tavon Austin in our O and on our STs would be SICK!!!

He certainly had Indy's #.

I'm still rooting for Fisher's development, but Austin is a bona fide asset.

If he can stay healthy, I see I cross between Devon Hester and Steve Smith in his future.

I wish we took Richardson. I would have been okay with Jordan or Austin.

I'm not a fan of the fisher pick. I just can't stand the people on cp who have this ridiculous double standard. Fisher is a gigantic bust because he didn't look great in his rookie campaign. Who would others have taken? Geno, Jordan, or Austin. Who, guess what... Didn't have very 1.1 type rookie campaigns. People rip on fisher because all tackles should be nfl ready, and yet joeckl looked even worse and he was supposed to be the safer pick.

It's not like all the other 1.1 options had good seasons. Most were really underwhelming. But unlike others, I will give fisher and all these other 1.1 alternatives more than one year to show what they've got.

[mschiefs1984]

OMG a rookie played like a rookie FIRE DORSEY

Fisher got better as the year went along until he got hurt. That's what happens with rookies folks. I saw nothing to say he's going to be an all pro but he made progress so there's still hope that he can pan out.

Dorsey signed on to a 2-14 team and in year 1 with a WEAK draft class made the team into a playoff team. Was he perfect no. But there's nothing to wine about. Chill out