The state of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Nightfyre]

It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.

Well we really don't know if he exhibited anything prior to this, regardless of how often that is the case. We also don't know if Crennel and/or Pioli spent much time with Belcher. They do have their respective jobs to do. I'm more interested in hearing what his teammates have to say about this. They'd be the ones most likely to have known if he had shown any signs of depression or anger prior to this.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.

It might cause you grief because it's wildly speculative and accusatory. It's no secret that NFL defensive players are aggressive. It's their career.

You should have strong evidence before this statement applies: "they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so."

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.

Pure speculative bullshit.

Stop trying to project your displeasure with this team's front office onto this situation.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Pure speculative bullshit.

Stop trying to project your displeasure with this team's front office onto this situation.

From an article on the subject of suicide:
On the subject of military suicide, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen states that “The most important ingredient is leadership: aggressive, focused, listening leadership. Because…in the toughest situations, when nothing else seems to work, leadership breaks through.”

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

From an article on the subject of suicide:
On the subject of military suicide, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen states that “The most important ingredient is leadership: aggressive, focused, listening leadership. Because…in the toughest situations, when nothing else seems to work, leadership breaks through.”

And what degree does Admiral Mullen have that makes him an expert on the subject? Sounds like typical military leadership hoo-rah rhetoric.

Look, it's easy for us to all sit here and point fingers at the GM we hate. But's it's also ridiculously speculative to make claims about what control the GM or coaches had over this situation. For ****'s sake, the guy's mother and girlfriend obviously didn't even catch on.

This is such an absurd talking point. As if Scott ****ing Pioli was best positioned to notice or intervene in the emotional health of Jovan Belcher.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by jspchief

And what degree does Admiral Mullen have that makes him an expert on the subject? Sounds like typical military leadership hoo-rah rhetoric.

Look, it's easy for us to all sit here and point fingers at the GM we hate. But's it's also ridiculously speculative to make claims about what control the GM or coaches had over this situation. For ****'s sake, the guy's mother and girlfriend obviously didn't even catch on.

This is such an absurd talking point. As if Scott ****ing Pioli was best positioned to notice or intervene in the emotional health of Jovan Belcher.

You are so naive and stupid it is a sick JOKE.

Let's recap the situation:

1) Two Chiefs employees... one a player, one an employee in the stadium operations department both killed themselves and their significant others in murder suicides. These both happened within a 3 month period.

2) Detailed and first hand reports have come out from within the Chiefs organization describing the toxic morale within the organization created by Scott Pioli. This comes from both non-football and football employees.

This may be too much for your gutless self to absorb, but there could very well be a connection and it is worth at least considering.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

You are so naive and stupid it is a sick JOKE.

Let's recap the situation:

1) Two Chiefs employees... one a player, one an employee in the stadium operations department both killed themselves and their significant others in murder suicides. These both happened within a 3 month period.

2) Detailed and first hand reports have come out from within the Chiefs organization describing the toxic morale within the organization created by Scott Pioli. This comes from both non-football and football employees.

This may be too much for your gutless self to absorb, but there could very well be a connection and it is worth at least considering.

Wow didn't know about the other one. This has to at least partially fall in Piolis lap no matter how small a contribution, the environment has to contribute something.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

This has to at least partially fall in Piolis lap no matter how small a contribution, the environment has to contribute something.

This is insanely stupid. So everytime someone kills themself, their boss should be fired for creating a negative environment?

I understand the hate for Pioli, but fandom is taken to a sickening level when he gets any sort of blame for something like this.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

1) Two Chiefs employees... one a player, one an employee in the stadium operations department both killed themselves and their significant others in murder suicides. These both happened within a 3 month period.

When did that first story come out? I don't remember that. I still don't think it excuses murder or means that the place that created the anger is somehow morally responsible for the murder.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

You are so naive and stupid it is a sick JOKE.

Let's recap the situation:

1) Two Chiefs employees... one a player, one an employee in the stadium operations department both killed themselves and their significant others in murder suicides. These both happened within a 3 month period.

2) Detailed and first hand reports have come out from within the Chiefs organization describing the toxic morale within the organization created by Scott Pioli. This comes from both non-football and football employees.

This may be too much for your gutless self to absorb, but there could very well be a connection and it is worth at least considering.

Wow. I am a sick joke.

Obviously Scott Pioli was in the best position to recognize and affect the state of Belcher's mental health.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.

This they all missed the signs. For most there all always signs.

[okoye35chiefs]

Originally Posted by bevischief

This they all missed the signs. For most there all always signs.

do you or have you suffered from depression?

have you ever contemplated suicide?

counseling?

I can tell you in all of these cases Everyone is different.

family members and spouses sometimes have no idea what is going on.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by okoye35chiefs

do you or have you suffered from depression?

have you ever contemplated suicide?

counseling?

I can tell you in all of these cases Everyone is different.

family members and spouses sometimes have no idea what is going on.

My wife went thru this 2 yrs ago assh*** and we noticed it and got her help. I also had a cousin go thru the same thing when I was in high school and we got her help as well.

[okoye35chiefs]

Originally Posted by bevischief

My wife went thru this 2 yrs ago assh*** and we noticed it and got her help. I also had a cousin go thru the same thing when I was in high school and we got her help as well.

And I have suffered from it for over 15.

My wife had no idea for 10 years..

I didn't show any symptoms, thats my point..

Everyone reacts different..

Thanks for the $%&hole comment... ..looking at my questions I wasn't trying to be disrespectful but I can see that is different for you