Talking Draft Prospects - Page 14

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

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RunKC · 11-14-2014, 12:12 PM

Nope. Honestly I don't know how Dorsey wouldn't get a raging mega boner for Alex Carter.
David Shaw said that when Alex Carter arrived to Stanford, at SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD, these were his tested numbers:

6ft tall
200 lbs (dude is stacked for a CB)
10 ft standing broad jump
40 inch vertical leap
4.4 forty
Under 10% body fat

This kid will be a first rd pick. He has experience, confidence, build, and plays to the hip of WR's.

Would love to have him, S. Smith and Gaines as our top 3 guys with Cooper and Flemming as depth.

If we don't take CB, I think DL is the next logical choice.

O.city · 11-14-2014, 12:14 PM

I don't know that the wrs will go off the board as quickly as some think

RunKC · 11-14-2014, 12:21 PM

Actually, **** it. Alex Carter will be gone by our pick. Almost a guarantee. Probably better off getting his teammate Wayne Lyons in rd 3.

O.city, it's pretty obvious that White, Cooper and Parker will be gone in the top 20. They will be that popular. Personally, I'd rather see us take Nelson Agholor, Rashad Greene or Stefon Diggs rd 2. They all fit the WCO well.

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Actually, **** it. Alex Carter will be gone by our pick. Almost a guarantee. Probably better off getting his teammate Wayne Lyons in rd 3.

O.city, it's pretty obvious that White, Cooper and Parker will be gone in the top 20. They will be that popular. Personally, I'd rather see us take Nelson Agholor, Rashad Greene or Stefon Diggs rd 2. They all fit the WCO well.

I'd take Strong in the 1st. We need more guys who can win in the red zone.

RunKC · 11-14-2014, 01:25 PM

Not sure I like Strong that much. I read his projected 40 time is 4.53? I'd rather have a burner to get YAC.

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Not sure I like Strong that much. I read his projected 40 time is 4.53? I'd rather have a burner to get YAC.

We have plenty of speed guys on the team. What we need are guys who can adjust well to the ball in the air and come down with it in contested situations. None of our fast receivers have great ball skills, elite body control, or enough strength to come down with the contested catch. Strong has all of that.

When I see Strong play, I think of Marques Colston. He's not a burner but he has enough speed and is strong at the catch point. If you like the redzone effeciency now, it'll improve even more with a guy like Strong on the team.

Another player I would look at is Duke Williams in terms of a big bodied, physical WR, elite body control, and excellent hands. He can probably be had in the 3rd as I expect him to run a relatively slow 40 time like Alshon Jeffrey did.

O.city · 11-14-2014, 01:56 PM

I'd actually look at Winston if he drops. Even with all the distractions, he's playing well.

That off field stuff tho....

On field I think I'd take him over mariota

RunKC · 11-14-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

We have plenty of speed guys on the team. What we need are guys who can adjust well to the ball in the air and come down with it in contested situations. None of our fast receivers have great ball skills, elite body control, or enough strength to come down with the contested catch. Strong has all of that.

When I see Strong play, I think of Marques Colston. He's not a burner but he has enough speed and is strong at the catch point. If you like the redzone effeciency now, it'll improve even more with a guy like Strong on the team.

Another player I would look at is Duke Williams in terms of a big bodied, physical WR, elite body control, and excellent hands. He can probably be had in the 3rd as I expect him to run a relatively slow 40 time like Alshon Jeffrey did.

Could definitely use a WR like that, but our speed receivers (Avery and Jenkins) both suck. They can't run routes very well and their hands suck. They are just fast and that's it.

That's why I wanted Nelson Agholor. But I would like to bring in both types of WR's and add another red zone weapon at TE.

Jarrett Boykin was a cheap option I mentioned before in free agency that is a somewhat similar type of WR to Strong (though not as talented). Hopefully he'll be one of many for us.

I want to add 2 WR's this spring. Scrap Avery, Hemmingway and Jenkins.

O.city · 11-14-2014, 02:27 PM

In terms of the wr spt, I think you just need 1 to push everyone down a spot. Hemmingway is a really productive special teamer and a good 5th wr. Avery as the 3 or 4 is fine too.

I think you could upgrade the wr core by improving the offensive line. Surprisingly, when we target wrs, they're open, we just don't or aren't able to as much.

Looking at free agency, if we were to be able to have one big addition, Iupati would be my choice at LG

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd actually look at Winston if he drops. Even with all the distractions, he's playing well.

That off field stuff tho....

On field I think I'd take him over mariota

Hell no to Winston. that guy should be pushing grocery carts on weekends.

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Could definitely use a WR like that, but our speed receivers (Avery and Jenkins) both suck. They can't run routes very well and their hands suck. They are just fast and that's it.

That's why I wanted Nelson Agholor. But I would like to bring in both types of WR's and add another red zone weapon at TE.

Jarrett Boykin was a cheap option I mentioned before in free agency that is a somewhat similar type of WR to Strong (though not as talented). Hopefully he'll be one of many for us.

I want to add 2 WR's this spring. Scrap Avery, Hemmingway and Jenkins.

If you guys want a quick slot guy, I'm really liking ECU's Hardy around the 3rd round. Tough and quick slot guy with really good body control to adjust to any passes. He can go up and get it too.

O.city · 11-14-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Hell no to Winston. that guy should be pushing grocery carts on weekends.

He's playing the qb position better this year than he did last year when he won the Heisman.

He's got some serious off field concerns though.

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He's playing the qb position better this year than he did last year when he won the Heisman.

He's got some serious off field concerns though.

You would actually want him as the face of the franchise?

O.city · 11-14-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

You would actually want him as the face of the franchise?

With all this that's been going on, it hasn't bothered him on the field a bit.

If I thought it was immaturity that he could grow out 9f, absolutely. But I dont have access to that stuff, so based on his on field play, yeah I'd love to have him as a franchise qb

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

With all this that's been going on, it hasn't bothered him on the field a bit.

If I thought it was immaturity that he could grow out 9f, absolutely. But I dont have access to that stuff, so based on his on field play, yeah I'd love to have him as a franchise qb

The kid has an off-field rap sheet that's as bad as it can get short of him murdering someone or being a convicted felon. I wouldn't touch him.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4203447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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11-14-2014, 12:12 PM	#196
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2019611	Nope. Honestly I don't know how Dorsey wouldn't get a raging mega boner for Alex Carter. David Shaw said that when Alex Carter arrived to Stanford, at SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD, these were his tested numbers: 6ft tall 200 lbs (dude is stacked for a CB) 10 ft standing broad jump 40 inch vertical leap 4.4 forty Under 10% body fat This kid will be a first rd pick. He has experience, confidence, build, and plays to the hip of WR's. Would love to have him, S. Smith and Gaines as our top 3 guys with Cooper and Flemming as depth. If we don't take CB, I think DL is the next logical choice. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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11-14-2014, 12:14 PM	#197
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	I don't know that the wrs will go off the board as quickly as some think
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11-14-2014, 12:21 PM	#198
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2019611	Actually, ** it. Alex Carter will be gone by our pick. Almost a guarantee. Probably better off getting his teammate Wayne Lyons in rd 3. O.city, it's pretty obvious that White, Cooper and Parker will be gone in the top 20. They will be that popular. Personally, I'd rather see us take Nelson Agholor, Rashad Greene or Stefon Diggs rd 2. They all fit the WCO well. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray**
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11-14-2014, 01:25 PM	#200
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2019611	Not sure I like Strong that much. I read his projected 40 time is 4.53? I'd rather have a burner to get YAC. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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11-14-2014, 01:56 PM	#202
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	I'd actually look at Winston if he drops. Even with all the distractions, he's playing well. That off field stuff tho.... On field I think I'd take him over mariota
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11-14-2014, 02:27 PM	#204
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	In terms of the wr spt, I think you just need 1 to push everyone down a spot. Hemmingway is a really productive special teamer and a good 5th wr. Avery as the 3 or 4 is fine too. I think you could upgrade the wr core by improving the offensive line. Surprisingly, when we target wrs, they're open, we just don't or aren't able to as much. Looking at free agency, if we were to be able to have one big addition, Iupati would be my choice at LG
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