Likely baseless rumor: Luck wants out

[DJ's left nut]

It's mostly just some Twitter rumbling and an article here and there in Indy, but there are some quiet rumors (evidently over Luck's objection) that suggest that he may want out.

So the question becomes, what is the trade value of a quarterback who may not be healthy at any point this year and will be 29 next year, who has a bit of an alarming injury history now and who's contract is now not an asset of any sort?

Is it a kings ransom kind of deal; like could/should Cleveland offer that absurd haul of picks they have in the coming year+ for him. Or is it far less than that due to the injury concerns, contract and the fact that he's simply not a young QB anymore?

Now onto the Chiefs related question - if the Colts approach us in the off-season and offer him for Smith and Mahomes (Smith would presumably be necessary for cap purposes on our end), what's the consensus?

Personally, if the medicals check out, I pull the trigger and not think twice. It would theoretically shorten our window by it may also push it open wider in the coming years. Then again, that contract also likely costs us Marcus Peters given that he'd be a FA prior to Mahomes needing to be paid. Maybe Hill. Maybe Jones. Maybe Morse. The bottom line is that it will cost us at least one member of this young core in all likelihood.

So do you spin the wheel and take your chances that Mahomes can be 90% as good as Luck while being healthier and cheaper? Or do you grab the guy who looked like potentially the best QB in football at times and worry about the consequences later?

It's a closer call than I imagined it might be at first blush.

[Rasputin]

**** Luck he is damaged goods besides Mahomes is going be elite and have a better career. Andy Reid has made all the right steps with Patrick Mahomes II and he is exceeding even coaches expectations.


**** Luck. Roll with Mahomes next year. We can trade Alex Smith for a first round pick.

[saphojunkie]

I would think Denver is the most logical landing spot, given the Stanford/Elway connections.

Good. Fine. ****ing bring it the **** on, bitch.

Personally, if I'm Ballard, I wouldn't let him anywhere near an AFC team. But the only NFC team I can think of in a dire QB situation is San Francisco, and that's just trading him to Hades.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I would think Denver is the most logical landing spot, given the Stanford/Elway connections.

Good. Fine. ****ing bring it the **** on, bitch.

Personally, if I'm Ballard, I wouldn't let him anywhere near an AFC team. But the only NFC team I can think of in a dire QB situation is San Francisco, and that's just trading him to Hades.

The Redskins trade Cousins to the 49ers. Then trade the Colts for Luck.

[DaneMcCloud]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cc277540ca44

“Two years ago, if you’d said to pick a quarterback to start your franchise with, there’d have been almost unanimous agreement on Andrew Luck,” former NFL quarterback Tim Hasselbeck said. “I don’t think that’s close to being the case at this point. He’s been beat up. He’s been hurt a bunch. The team hasn’t done well around him.”

Luck has been plagued by a series of injuries. He has played 22 of the Colts’ 33 games since the start of the 2015 season. The team has a record of 16-17 over that span. Luck has thrown 25 interceptions to go with 46 touchdown passes in those 22 games.

Luck just turned 28. The end of his NFL career is nowhere in sight, in all likelihood. But he’s also not exactly a young player any more. The clock is ticking. Great promise must be turned into great results beginning sometime relatively soon.

“You take a step back and look at it,” Hasselbeck said. “A 12-year career is a long career in the NFL. He might be halfway done. You think back to the expectations — best prospect since John Elway — and I don’t know if any of them have been met. He’s good. That’s undeniable. But you compare him to some other people and you say: What’s the difference between Andrew Luck and Matt Stafford? It’s not all his fault. But you do have to be concerned a little bit. And I think the Colts are concerned a little bit.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

We finally draft a young explosive QB that we can build a dynasty around and some on here want to trade him away for an expensive Qb with shoulder problems?

!

In fairness, 'some' appears to just be me and one other guy.

Really didn't figure it would be this much of a walk.

You guys remember Andrew Luck, right? I mean damn fellas - we're operating under the assumption that the medicals check out here and his arm isn't hanging from the socket by a shred of labrum and a prayer.

Sure seems to be getting the '**** you' treatment a lot more than he deserves.

[saphojunkie]

Harbaugh coming in as coach is really interesting. He would likely get a shit ton of power - maybe Ballard would be in a similar situation to Dorsey/Reid was.

That would probably fix that team up REAL quick.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In fairness, 'some' appears to just be me and one other guy.

Really didn't figure it would be this much of a walk.

You guys remember Andrew Luck, right? I mean damn fellas - we're operating under the assumption that the medicals check out here and his arm isn't hanging from the socket by a shred of labrum and a prayer.

Sure seems to be getting the '**** you' treatment a lot more than he deserves.

Take out the thoughts on Luck the prospect though, and just eval the past 3 years as a QB.

The injury issues to the shoulder scare me the most.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It’s not all his fault. But you do have to be concerned a little bit. And I think the Colts are concerned a little bit.”

I don't think it's his fault at all. And if the Colts are concerned.....they should be looking in the ****ing mirror. They landed the best QB prospect to come out since their last QB was a prospect. They had the perfect scenario fall into their laps and they completely ****ed it up. No offensive line help and they just kept drafting small, fast WRs.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by O.city

So is a qb guru supposed to turn every Qb he touches into an elite player? Is that what were supposed to believe?

The overwhelming data says he gets the most out of the Qbs he has. Im not sure what else I'm supposed to see there?

Well, if you want to say "he gets the most of out of what he has", I think that's a different question. And it seems to suggest that Reid is somehow not responsible for what he has, though these are player personnel decisions that he is making.

The 'overwhelming data' would show that his last hit on a QB was in 1999, a QB who had some very productive years but declined after their Super Bowl appearance in 2004, and Reid hasn't been able to develop any quality starting QB since.

Nobody here is cheering against Reid or Mahomes, at all. We all want Reid and Mahomes to become Brady and Beli-type great.

It's just a discussion on whether Reid should be called a QB guru when he's been on an unsuccessful search for one for almost 15 years.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In fairness, 'some' appears to just be me and one other guy.

Really didn't figure it would be this much of a walk.

You guys remember Andrew Luck, right? I mean damn fellas - we're operating under the assumption that the medicals check out here and his arm isn't hanging from the socket by a shred of labrum and a prayer.

Sure seems to be getting the '**** you' treatment a lot more than he deserves.

He could be Drew Brees, go to another franchise and lead them for a decade and to a Lombardi trophy.

Or he could be damaged enough to never be what he could have been.

Who ****ing cares? I prefer Mahomes. I prefer his style of play. I prefer having our own QB, that our coaches identified, targeted, and aggressively acquired. Let someone else deal with Luck learning a new offense, rehabbing a shoulder, and adjusting to a whole new team. By the time that happens, Mahomes will have taken over and we will be one of the hottest teams in the NFL.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Well, if you want to say "he gets the most of out of what he has", I think that's a different question. And it seems to suggest that Reid is somehow not responsible for what he has, though these are player personnel decisions that he is making.

The 'overwhelming data' would show that his last hit on a QB was in 1999, a QB who had some very productive years but declined after their Super Bowl appearance in 2004, and Reid hasn't been able to develop any quality starting QB since.

Nobody here is cheering against Reid or Mahomes, at all. We all want Reid and Mahomes to become Brady and Beli-type great.

It's just a discussion on whether Reid should be called a QB guru when he's been on an unsuccessful search for one for almost 15 years.

We need to be working off the same definitions here it seems. Does a qb have to be elite to be successful? Is an elite Qb the only way to have success there?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

He could be Drew Brees, go to another franchise and lead them for a decade and to a Lombardi trophy.

Or he could be damaged enough to never be what he could have been.

Who ****ing cares? I prefer Mahomes. I prefer his style of play. I prefer having our own QB, that our coaches identified, targeted, and aggressively acquired. Let someone else deal with Luck learning a new offense, rehabbing a shoulder, and adjusting to a whole new team. By the time that happens, Mahomes will have taken over and we will be one of the hottest teams in the NFL.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

He was supposed to be Manning and ended up a poor man's Rivers with injuries. No thanks.

[O.city]

Plus, damn it DJ, Mahomes is ours. He's going to be developed here, become a star and be a Chief his career. It's what we deserve and we're gonna have it.

Stop trying to pawn him off for the chick that was hot a few years ago, still looks good but has been plowed a few times. We don't want taht. Yeah, it would be fun, but we're waiting on this 10 we've been putting the work in on to slut it up. It's gonna be glorious and we're gonna enjoy the shit out of it

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In fairness, 'some' appears to just be me and one other guy.

Really didn't figure it would be this much of a walk.

You guys remember Andrew Luck, right? I mean damn fellas - we're operating under the assumption that the medicals check out here and his arm isn't hanging from the socket by a shred of labrum and a prayer.

Sure seems to be getting the '**** you' treatment a lot more than he deserves.

You make a lot of great points, but I wouldn't trade Mahomes for NOTHING. I love the kid. He is the future face of our franchise. He has just as strong of an arm-maybe better now- and is Far more elusive than Luck.

Look at how much Mahomes has improved since we drafted him- he beat Everyone's expectations in the preseason. He has not even come close to reaching his potential yet-whereas Luck is topped out and declining with injuries.

I don't want another team's cast off again- I am happy with Mahomes, He is going to be elite and break every Chief's record there is. We will have an explosive Young team next year- I can't wait!!