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Deberg_1990 · 10-23-2014, 06:21 AM

Definately seems like it will work against us. So do we have any pitchers that are good hitters? So they just try and bunt every time?

How good of hitters are the Giants pitchers?

Ned Yost strategy here? He at least has experience managing in the NL

Discuss please......

siberian khatru · 10-23-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Is Aoki really so bad on defense? He had two errors all season. Dyson had 4. It's a harder position, but it's not like Dyson's a Gold Glover.
Aoki is much better at the plate than Dyson. He may be hitting .206, but he's obvisouly a better hitter overall, and Dyson is 0-7 in the playoffs. Alex Gordon's hitting about .170 in the playoffs. We're not going to be benching him. Aoki's not at Dyson's level stealing bases, but he's not slow either. He had 17 SBs.

Are you really going to judge the two on errors committed?

First, your eyeballs should tell you clearly that Aoki stumbling around out there makes him far less adept defensively than Dyson. Misplays don't always result in official scoring errors.

Second, a better metric is Defensive Runs Saved. Dyson saved 14 runs this year, ninth among all MLB outfielders, and in only 691 innings played (Gordon had 27 and Cain 24 in far more playing time). Aoki was MINUS-8.

The gap defensively between the two players is FAR GREATER than the gap offensively.

Now, if you don't want to change what's been working, fine. That's probably what Ned's gonna do. But please don't argue that Aoki's D is fine and comparable to Dyson's.

**Buehler445** · 10-23-2014, 02:10 PM

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Hosmer's D in the Playoffs has been ****ing money. I couldn't even imagine if they put Bil................nevermind, nt going there.

This. Billy sits.

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Are you really going to judge the two on errors committed?

First, your eyeballs should tell you clearly that Aoki stumbling around out there makes him far less adept defensively than Dyson. Misplays don't always result in official scoring errors.

Second, a better metric is Defensive Runs Saved. Dyson saved 14 runs this year, ninth among all MLB outfielders, and in only 691 innings played (Gordon had 27 and Cain 24 in far more playing time). Aoki was MINUS-8.

The gap defensively between the two players is FAR GREATER than the gap offensively.

Now, if you don't want to change what's been working, fine. That's probably what Ned's gonna do. But please don't argue that Aoki's D is fine and comparable to Dyson's.

Again, this. Aoki scares the **** out of me, even when the play doesn't go his direction. I'm afraid he's going to flail around so bad he'll **** up some other guy making the play.

I know I'm blowing it out of proportion. He's not terribad in the field, but he does scare the shit out of me.

A buddy of mine asked if they'd change up the reliever order to get Finnegan an AB. Having just got out of college, he has batted more recently than about anybody else on the roster. The only way I see it is if he goes in the bottom 6 if he's one of the first 3 in the top 7. Then Herrera can Herrera the 7th.

**ChiTown** · 10-23-2014, 02:36 PM

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Billy at 1B, Hosmer in RF.

Do it.

- HO_LEE_FOCK!

**ChiTown** · 10-23-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Are you really going to judge the two on errors committed?

First, your eyeballs should tell you clearly that Aoki stumbling around out there makes him far less adept defensively than Dyson. Misplays don't always result in official scoring errors.

Second, a better metric is Defensive Runs Saved. Dyson saved 14 runs this year, ninth among all MLB outfielders, and in only 691 innings played (Gordon had 27 and Cain 24 in far more playing time). Aoki was MINUS-8.

The gap defensively between the two players is FAR GREATER than the gap offensively.

Now, if you don't want to change what's been working, fine. That's probably what Ned's gonna do. But please don't argue that Aoki's D is fine and comparable to Dyson's.

THIS! - and I agree about not ****ing with the lineup, BUT that RF is a ****ing nightmare. I don't trust that corner with anybody, but it certainly could be a mess with Aoki.

cosmo20002 · 10-23-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Are you really going to judge the two on errors committed?

First, your eyeballs should tell you clearly that Aoki stumbling around out there makes him far less adept defensively than Dyson. Misplays don't always result in official scoring errors.

Second, a better metric is Defensive Runs Saved. Dyson saved 14 runs this year, ninth among all MLB outfielders, and in only 691 innings played (Gordon had 27 and Cain 24 in far more playing time). Aoki was MINUS-8.

The gap defensively between the two players is FAR GREATER than the gap offensively.

Now, if you don't want to change what's been working, fine. That's probably what Ned's gonna do. But please don't argue that Aoki's D is fine and comparable to Dyson's.

I didn't mean to just base it on errors. And I'm not saying only an idiot would take out Aoki for Dyson or anything like that.

All of these defensive stats are a bit murky so I guess I don't lean on them as much as I do offensive stats. From what I've seen, and I have seen quite a bit, although Aoki may take some odd routes, I don't see him actually screw up all that often.

Nightfyre · 10-23-2014, 03:01 PM

For all you ninnies complaining about taking Nori's bat out,
his splits v. Righties: .259/.323/.335

versus Dysons: .274/.326/.337

Dyson provides the same offense vs. Right handers, more defense and more speed. It should be a no-brainer.

CaliforniaChief · 10-23-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

For all you ninnies complaining about taking Nori's bat out,
his splits v. Righties: .259/.323/.335

versus Dysons: .274/.326/.337

Dyson provides the same offense vs. Right handers, more defense and more speed. It should be a no-brainer.

Completely agree. The only game I would start Aoki in is the one Bumgarner pitches.

Aoki is a valuable weapon off the bench too, and could pinch hit or pinch run.

That said, Ned appears to be in the "If it's not broke don't fix it" category, which a large part of me can't argue with either.

I'll be pleased if Dyson starts Games 3 and 4, but not upset if he doesn't. But if Aoki gets lost on a fly ball to RF by taking a trolley around the Bay Bridge, don't yell about it.

Aoki's defense is a liability.

**ChiTown** · 10-23-2014, 03:07 PM

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Completely agree. The only game I would start Aoki in is the one Bumgarner pitches.

Aoki is a valuable weapon off the bench too, and could pinch hit or pinch run.

That said, Ned appears to be in the "If it's not broke don't fix it" category, which a large part of me can't argue with either.

I'll be pleased if Dyson starts Games 3 and 4, but not upset if he doesn't. But if Aoki gets lost on a fly ball to RF by taking a trolley around the Bay Bridge, don't yell about it.

Aoki's defense is a liability.

I agree with every bit of this post

cosmo20002 · 10-23-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

For all you ninnies complaining about taking Nori's bat out,
his splits v. Righties: .259/.323/.335

versus Dysons: .274/.326/.337

Dyson provides the same offense vs. Right handers, more defense and more speed. It should be a no-brainer.

Against righties, it looks like it is.

siberian khatru · 10-23-2014, 03:28 PM

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I agree with every bit of this post

Yep, I repped him.

temper11 · 10-23-2014, 03:51 PM

Assuming your pitchers can bunt, I'd say the Royals are the perfect AL team to come in and play by NL rules. Royals have speed and play small ball.

You won't see the Giants pitchers getting many hits. The biggest advantage they have is that they have more experience at laying down that critical bunt in late innings to get a runner in scoring position. But then you (Royals) also gain an advantage in that the guy you'll use as your pinch hitter, following that critical bunt, will most likely be your DH and so will have about a million more at bats on the season than does the Giants pinch hitter... so - wash.

Also, Bochi is going to be more practiced in strategy regarding how to maneuver around the pitching spot in the line up than Yost will be.

Good luck...

Hootie · 10-23-2014, 03:52 PM

Let's fix something that isn't broken!!!

**ChiTown** · 10-23-2014, 03:55 PM

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Let's fix something that isn't broken!!!

Let's ignore something that could be a problem!!!

Hootie · 10-23-2014, 04:03 PM

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Let's ignore something that could be a problem!!!

Aoki is a problem? Well ****, Gordon isn't hitting either. Better put Willingham in left

**ChiTown** · 10-23-2014, 04:04 PM

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Aoki is a problem? Well ****, Gordon isn't hitting either. Better put Willingham in left

You have NO capability to discuss shit. You just hit the nuke button for stupidity and call it good. Congrats?

10-23-2014, 06:21 AM
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3588849	For all you ninnies complaining about taking Nori's bat out, his splits v. Righties: .259/.323/.335 versus Dysons: .274/.326/.337 Dyson provides the same offense vs. Right handers, more defense and more speed. It should be a no-brainer.
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temper11 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $10014156	Assuming your pitchers can bunt, I'd say the Royals are the perfect AL team to come in and play by NL rules. Royals have speed and play small ball. You won't see the Giants pitchers getting many hits. The biggest advantage they have is that they have more experience at laying down that critical bunt in late innings to get a runner in scoring position. But then you (Royals) also gain an advantage in that the guy you'll use as your pinch hitter, following that critical bunt, will most likely be your DH and so will have about a million more at bats on the season than does the Giants pinch hitter... so - wash. Also, Bochi is going to be more practiced in strategy regarding how to maneuver around the pitching spot in the line up than Yost will be. Good luck... __________________ **disclaimer. Nothing in this post was meant to offend, or in any way slander the good people of Kansas City or the obviously passionate fans of the KC Chiefs.
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