Chiefs Saving money by drafting Cam Erving - Page 4

**RealSNR** · 04-13-2015, 11:50 AM

In 2013, I hated the Eric Fisher pick for multiple reasons. Worst of all was the idea of letting a pretty good LT walk for an average yearly salary for $9.400,000, which for a starting LT isn't bad as long as you're really confident in the player you acquired. Some people didn't like Albert as much as me... whatever. But our replacement for him was the #1 overall pick, whose contract was worth 4 years $22 million, or a yearly average of about 5.5 million. For the #1 overall pick, we got a worse player in the short term (small school) and possibly the long term all so we could save about $4 million per year on the cap.

The idea of drafting Cam Erving isn't quite as bad, but it's still the same philosophy. We're avoiding a much worse fate (paying 9 million/year for a C instead of a LT) than with Albert's contract situation, and our hypothetical replacement is at the #18 overall pick instead of at #1. Last year's 17th, 18th, and 19th overall picks are making somewhere around 4 years, 8-9 million, so the contract is also far better than Eric Fisher's meddling pennies we would have saved over not paying Albert. However, we're also spending a 1st on a C and a worse player than the guy who left town.

I'm fine with using a 1st to replace aging guys on the brink of retirement like in Hali's case. I'm fine using a 1st in large position groups like CB and WR, where depth is so crucial that you can never have too many good players stacked up. And I'm also fine with using a 1st to fill a hole or oust somebody who's just not any good, which is why I'm cool with La'el Collins or a true RT in the 1st.

But I can't stand using a 1st rounder just to avoid paying good starting players that the team wants to keep. It turns the 1st round pick, aka the most consistent source of finding blue chip franchise players, and it turns it into a game played by your front office salary cap guys and not your talent scouts. It's WORSE than drafting for need-- it's essentially drafting for a need that you manufactured.

This is at least a better situation than Eric Fisher. We're saving about $6.5-7 million per year on the cap for our starting C. That's better than saving a piddly $3.5-4 million per year on the cap for our starting LT. And as much as I like Kush, he's not like Branden Albert, an established veteran that we knew was good enough to not only start but play pretty well.

So do you think the money savings coupled with the poor positional value in the draft and decrease in playing ability is worth it for Cam Erving?

**BossChief** · 04-14-2015, 07:10 PM

Daniel Jeremiah made a lot of comparisons of Erving to Walter Jones.

CleveSteve · 04-17-2015, 03:07 PM

While I principle I agree with you... if there was a way they could make their cap work and keep Hudson they should have done it, but he's gone now and you need a center (that is of course unless you're OK with having a below-average C as your starter in Kush, which you're entitled to.)

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CleveSteve

While I principle I agree with you... if there was a way they could make their cap work and keep Hudson they should have done it, but he's gone now and you need a center (that is of course unless you're OK with having a below-average C as your starter in Kush, which you're entitled to.)

If that happens, then I think it's irresponsible of the GM to just burn a 1st rounder on a hole that opens up in free agency, especially when it's at a position like C.

The fact that the Chiefs had McGlynn at LG is not an excuse for drafting a 1st round G, and it shouldn't be an excuse for drafting a C in the first round even if Kush sucks. You need to prepare for that circumstance another way-- through scouring the veteran market and keeping track of the training camp cuts.

It can't be Erving. That's irresponsible GMing 101.

**Easy 6** · 04-17-2015, 03:55 PM

Are we looking for an instant upgrade over Kush at center?

If so then **** this guy, he will NOT be an instant upgrade... grab a cheap vet after camp cuts and cross our fingers on Kush, it makes hella more sense than reaching WAY out for a starting center with our #1.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Are we looking for an instant upgrade over Kush at center?

If so then **** this guy, he will NOT be an instant upgrade... grab a cheap vet after camp cuts and cross our fingers on Kush, it makes hella more sense than reaching WAY out for a starting center with our #1.

Exactly. We can fix that position permanently at any time. Just not in the first round.

Deberg_1990 · 04-17-2015, 04:10 PM

ABR. Always be replacing. That's the NFL

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-17-2015, 05:17 PM

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The Pick: Center Cameron Erving, Florida State

What a horrendous ****ing waste of a pick.

**Bowser** · 04-17-2015, 05:40 PM

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2230208	Saving money by drafting Cam Erving In 2013, I hated the Eric Fisher pick for multiple reasons. Worst of all was the idea of letting a pretty good LT walk for an average yearly salary for $9.400,000, which for a starting LT isn't bad as long as you're really confident in the player you acquired. Some people didn't like Albert as much as me... whatever. But our replacement for him was the #1 overall pick, whose contract was worth 4 years $22 million, or a yearly average of about 5.5 million. For the #1 overall pick, we got a worse player in the short term (small school) and possibly the long term all so we could save about $4 million per year on the cap. The idea of drafting Cam Erving isn't quite as bad, but it's still the same philosophy. We're avoiding a much worse fate (paying 9 million/year for a C instead of a LT) than with Albert's contract situation, and our hypothetical replacement is at the #18 overall pick instead of at #1. Last year's 17th, 18th, and 19th overall picks are making somewhere around 4 years, 8-9 million, so the contract is also far better than Eric Fisher's meddling pennies we would have saved over not paying Albert. However, we're also spending a 1st on a C and a worse player than the guy who left town. I'm fine with using a 1st to replace aging guys on the brink of retirement like in Hali's case. I'm fine using a 1st in large position groups like CB and WR, where depth is so crucial that you can never have too many good players stacked up. And I'm also fine with using a 1st to fill a hole or oust somebody who's just not any good, which is why I'm cool with La'el Collins or a true RT in the 1st. But I can't stand using a 1st rounder just to avoid paying good starting players that the team wants to keep. It turns the 1st round pick, aka the most consistent source of finding blue chip franchise players, and it turns it into a game played by your front office salary cap guys and not your talent scouts. It's WORSE than drafting for need-- it's essentially drafting for a need that you manufactured. This is at least a better situation than Eric Fisher. We're saving about $6.5-7 million per year on the cap for our starting C. That's better than saving a piddly $3.5-4 million per year on the cap for our starting LT. And as much as I like Kush, he's not like Branden Albert, an established veteran that we knew was good enough to not only start but play pretty well. So do you think the money savings coupled with the poor positional value in the draft and decrease in playing ability is worth it for Cam Erving?
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