Other Sports Official 2015-2016 NBA Regular Season Thread - Page 6

KevB · 10-31-2015, 09:53 AM

I don't believe this thread has been started yet, so here you go.

Good start to the season, key guys appear to be relatively healthy. As a basketball fan, good to see the Thunder back at full strength, as a Grizzlies fan notsomuch.

The West is just so deep, hard to figure out who comes out on that side. If the Cavs stay healthy, hard to imagine they don't represent the East.

If we have a group interested in a fantasy basketball league, I'd be happy to set it up.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-09-2015, 10:49 PM

On a related note, Paul Milsap is a grown ass man.

KC_Connection · 11-09-2015, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

A) I don't think it's raw talent or potential. At all. There is legit skill and he is MAYBE two years away from straight dominating competition. Probably sooner, as there are so few SG who can do what he does physically and his skills are quickly rising to match the athletic ability. By the way, anyone who thinks he doesn't have killer instinct doesn't know what to look for, and his skills are improving by the minute.

He has been horrendous statistically so far in his career (13.7 PER, 0.031 WS/48 rate, -0.4 VORP, -2.5 BPM). He's very raw in many areas and has a number of very obvious flaws still. None of this isn't to say he couldn't have a breakout down the line (I would give him until at least his 4th year to do so), but he would not help anywhere near as much as Kevin Love any time soon in LeBron's quest to win another title.

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B) The problem with the entire Love trade for me is that it was short-sighted. They could have had 90% of Love's production for a fraction of the cost. I always thought setting sights on a player like Al Jefferson would have been so much more team-friendly and would have kept a future MVP on the roster for when Lebron ages into a far less dominant role over the next 2-3 years.

The Cavs panicked, plain and simple.

They just wanted to win now instead of later, so they added an elite player. When you have a 30 year old LeBron on your team who only has so many years left on top, that makes some sense. And if they had him healthy instead of just LeBron + scrubs against the Warriors, they very well could have won it all just last year.

KC_Connection · 11-09-2015, 11:05 PM

I don't know why Marc Gasol keeps playing when he's nowhere near 100%.

mcaj22 · 11-09-2015, 11:06 PM

As great as it is watching these young college studs in the NBA play nightly, the Townes, Wiggins, Okafor, Noel, etc they still can't win and it is going to take years, a good GM and maybe even a team change for them to find winning success. NBA is a veterans league and veterans who have a higher basketball IQ and a more polished game will come in a smoke them. Like Paul Millsap, he came in tonight and just showed them young kids how to win a game. That's all the veteran teams do in the NBA. You just need so much pro experience in the NBA before you "get it." It's so different from the other sports in that regard. You're never going to see a rookie make a splash in the playoffs or finals on a frequent basis.

It takes forever and it's why the same teams win. It's also why it was really refreshing to see a new franchise like Golden State put itself on the map last season. I hope more of that happens.

**RealSNR** · 11-09-2015, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

As great as it is watching these young college studs in the NBA play nightly, the Townes, Wiggins, Okafor, Noel, etc they still can't win and it is going to take years, a good GM and maybe even a team change for them to find winning success. NBA is a veterans league and veterans who have a higher basketball IQ and a more polished game will come in a smoke them. Like Paul Millsap, he came in tonight and just showed them young kids how to win a game. That's all the veteran teams do in the NBA. You just need so much pro experience in the NBA before you "get it." It's so different from the other sports in that regard. You're never going to see a rookie make a splash in the playoffs or finals on a frequent basis.

It takes forever and it's why the same teams win. It's also why it was really refreshing to see a new franchise like Golden State put itself on the map last season. I hope more of that happens.

Uhh... Paul Millsap lost the game tonight. He didn't show the young kids shit.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-09-2015, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

As great as it is watching these young college studs in the NBA play nightly, the Townes, Wiggins, Okafor, Noel, etc they still can't win and it is going to take years, a good GM and maybe even a team change for them to find winning success. NBA is a veterans league and veterans who have a higher basketball IQ and a more polished game will come in a smoke them. Like Paul Millsap, he came in tonight and just showed them young kids how to win a game. That's all the veteran teams do in the NBA. You just need so much pro experience in the NBA before you "get it." It's so different from the other sports in that regard. You're never going to see a rookie make a splash in the playoffs or finals on a frequent basis.

It takes forever and it's why the same teams win. It's also why it was really refreshing to see a new franchise like Golden State put itself on the map last season. I hope more of that happens.

Love Millsap, but the kids just showed him how to win (in his house).

**RealSNR** · 11-09-2015, 11:26 PM

Also, that new blood team that just won the NBA championship was mostly home-brewed. Curry, Thompson, Barnes, and Green were all young dudes who were still wet behind the ears in terms of playoff experience, all drafted by the same team. They were coached at the same time on the same time, improved, learned how to play with one another, and have now turned into defending champions, with the great potential to win a few more rings together.

It takes years to win? THANKS, PROFESSOR SCIENCE! WHAT OTHER FASCINATING INFORMATION DO YOU HAVE FOR US?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-09-2015, 11:26 PM

Still hate the Love trade. As I expected, the Cavs look so much better as a team when they have a big 2, not a big 3. Maybe they figured it out in the Boston playoff series. But I'm skeptical. Lebron is too good not to make this work anyway, but I was right about a lot of things last year that still drive me crazy:
-Not getting a wing defender and rim protector almost ****ed them last season. Credit Griffin for pulling a rabbit out of a hat midseason
-I bitched about the Cavs' horrible PG depth. I also bitched that Lebron had nobody to take him off the court. And those 2 things ****ed us in the end
-As expected, our payroll is ridiculously heavy on big guys

If the Cavs would have had Kyrie/Lebron, kept Wiggins for guard depth, used their massive trade exception for a rim protector, invested their savings in SF and PG depth, and used their gajillion picks they traded for Mozgov/Smith/Shump, the team would have been better and without the gigantic payroll.

**RealSNR** · 11-09-2015, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Still hate the Love trade. As I expected, the Cavs look so much better as a team when they have a big 2, not a big 3. Maybe they figured it out in the Boston playoff series. But I'm skeptical. Lebron is too good not to make this work anyway, but I was right about a lot of things last year that still drive me crazy:
-Not getting a wing defender and rim protector almost ****ed them last season. Credit Griffin for pulling a rabbit out of a hat midseason
-I bitched about the Cavs' horrible PG depth. I also bitched that Lebron had nobody to take him off the court. And those 2 things ****ed us in the end
-As expected, our payroll is ridiculously heavy on big guys

If the Cavs would have had Kyrie/Lebron, kept Wiggins for guard depth, used their massive trade exception for a rim protector, invested their savings in SF and PG depth, and used their gajillion picks they traded for Mozgov/Smith/Shump, the team would have been better and without the gigantic payroll.

I know I've gone around and around in a circle with you on this, but Love gave you the best chance to win a ring. If he didn't get injured, it's quite possible that the Cavs would have won the championship this year. If you had kept Wiggins and not traded for Love, you would have absolutely lost it. Wiggins is NOT the wing defender you think he is, and coming off the bench would play into his tentative nature as a player.

The Wiggins you see right now is NOT the Wiggins the Cavs would have played with had they kept him. Being forced to step up out of his comfort zone last year is the reason why Wiggins is as good as he is to this day, and like KC Connection said, even that version needs a lot more development. He's making progress, and he's got the time, yes, but the Cavs would not have been better off with Wiggins last year.

KevB · 11-09-2015, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I don't know why Marc Gasol keeps playing when he's nowhere near 100%.

Tonight it's because Branden Wright is out injured and they have little else. Team is a bit of a mess right now. Jeff Green has been even worse than last year. Good to see ZBo has a pulse tonight.

Last year was the year for them I'm afraid. Would like to have seen them with Conley having a face that was intact.

KevB · 11-10-2015, 12:06 AM

Grizz were in great position to beat the Clippers in LA, and they truly fell apart defensively in the last minute. Left Reddick WIDE open for a 3 to lose the lead, then somehow fouled him on a 3. Just mind numbing. This Grizzlies team has some issues.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2015, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I know I've gone around and around in a circle with you on this, but Love gave you the best chance to win a ring. If he didn't get injured, it's quite possible that the Cavs would have won the championship this year. If you had kept Wiggins and not traded for Love, you would have absolutely lost it. Wiggins is NOT the wing defender you think he is, and coming off the bench would play into his tentative nature as a player.

The Wiggins you see right now is NOT the Wiggins the Cavs would have played with had they kept him. Being forced to step up out of his comfort zone last year is the reason why Wiggins is as good as he is to this day, and like KC Connection said, even that version needs a lot more development. He's making progress, and he's got the time, yes, but the Cavs would not have been better off with Wiggins last year.

The team was in a death spiral until Griffin pulled a rabbit out of his hat and made the trade for JR/Shumpert/Mozgov. Griffin saved the season.

The Cavs didn't need a third volume shooter and they're still struggling to figure out how to get the 3 to work together. Without the Love trade, they could have brought in a true rim protector with the savings from not paying Love. And with a starting lineup of Kyrie-Wiggins-Lebron-Tristan-Rim protector. That's already a solid starting lineup.

Now think about what they'd still have for midseason trade chips. Let's assume they still pull off the JR/Shump trade. You'd have last year's playoff roster after Boston + Wiggins + some rim protector minus Mozgov + four first rounders & Anthony Bennett for midseason trade bait. That's last year's playoff roster + badly, badly needed depth. Notably, a PG that could have taken Delly off the floor. And a depth SF to give Lebron some rest.

Al Bundy · 11-11-2015, 09:34 PM

Another ass kicking of the Grizzlies.

KevB · 11-11-2015, 10:09 PM

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Another ass kicking of the Grizzlies.

It's not a particularly exclusive club right now.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-11-2015, 11:57 PM

Lebron played 38 minutes in the Cavs win against Utah. For as well as the Cavs played, they need to start blowing some teams out because they've got to find ways to start limiting Lebron's minutes. It will be interesting to see how the Cavs play with Kyrie and Lebron's minutes once Kyrie/Shumpert are back. Neither of them should be playing more than 35 a game. At the very least, Lebron's minutes per game so far seem to be at a career low. Question I have is if Jefferson/James Jones are enough to justify keeping LBJ on the bench for stretches.

10-31-2015, 09:53 AM
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	As great as it is watching these young college studs in the NBA play nightly, the Townes, Wiggins, Okafor, Noel, etc they still can't win and it is going to take years, a good GM and maybe even a team change for them to find winning success. NBA is a veterans league and veterans who have a higher basketball IQ and a more polished game will come in a smoke them. Like Paul Millsap, he came in tonight and just showed them young kids how to win a game. That's all the veteran teams do in the NBA. You just need so much pro experience in the NBA before you "get it." It's so different from the other sports in that regard. You're never going to see a rookie make a splash in the playoffs or finals on a frequent basis. It takes forever and it's why the same teams win. It's also why it was really refreshing to see a new franchise like Golden State put itself on the map last season. I hope more of that happens.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1954497	Still hate the Love trade. As I expected, the Cavs look so much better as a team when they have a big 2, not a big 3. Maybe they figured it out in the Boston playoff series. But I'm skeptical. Lebron is too good not to make this work anyway, but I was right about a lot of things last year that still drive me crazy: -Not getting a wing defender and rim protector almost **ed them last season. Credit Griffin for pulling a rabbit out of a hat midseason -I bitched about the Cavs' horrible PG depth. I also bitched that Lebron had nobody to take him off the court. And those 2 things **ed us in the end -As expected, our payroll is ridiculously heavy on big guys If the Cavs would have had Kyrie/Lebron, kept Wiggins for guard depth, used their massive trade exception for a rim protector, invested their savings in SF and PG depth, and used their gajillion picks they traded for Mozgov/Smith/Shump, the team would have been better and without the gigantic payroll.
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KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	Grizz were in great position to beat the Clippers in LA, and they truly fell apart defensively in the last minute. Left Reddick WIDE open for a 3 to lose the lead, then somehow fouled him on a 3. Just mind numbing. This Grizzlies team has some issues.
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11-11-2015, 11:57 PM	#90
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1954497	Lebron played 38 minutes in the Cavs win against Utah. For as well as the Cavs played, they need to start blowing some teams out because they've got to find ways to start limiting Lebron's minutes. It will be interesting to see how the Cavs play with Kyrie and Lebron's minutes once Kyrie/Shumpert are back. Neither of them should be playing more than 35 a game. At the very least, Lebron's minutes per game so far seem to be at a career low. Question I have is if Jefferson/James Jones are enough to justify keeping LBJ on the bench for stretches.
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