Will Smith to star in Tarantinos next "Django Unchained" ?

[Reaper16]

I think its a lesser QT work. It's very entertaining, that's for sure. And to me it doesn't feel as long as its running time.

But its really nothing more than its spaghetti western influence. The characters are paper-thin. It's a cartoon. It's dripping with white guilt. But it's very well-made.

Its controversy is its most powerful (only?) artistic statement. You and the others in your audience might find yourselves laughing at awkward times, or laughing at places that you have to question yourselves about later. The conversations that will arise from this film about what is OK to laugh at and what isn't is Django Unchained's signature piece of artistic merit.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And Will Smith never could have pulled this off. Foxx was the perfect choice.

You shut your dirty whore mouth, bitch!

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I think its a lesser QT work. It's very entertaining, that's for sure. And to me it doesn't feel as long as its running time.

But its really nothing more than its spaghetti western influence. The characters are paper-thin. It's a cartoon. It's dripping with white guilt. But it's very well-made.

Its controversy is its most powerful (only?) artistic statement. You and the others in your audience might find yourselves laughing at awkward times, or laughing at places that you have to question yourselves about later. The conversations that will arise from this film about what is OK to laugh at and what isn't is Django Unchained's signature piece of artistic merit.

That is exactly what I expected from the trailers. I do love the old Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns though. I plan to go see it this Thursday and be entertained.

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[KcMizzou]

I think Will Smith would do himself and his career a great service if he'd take on an "edgier" role now and then. I believe he has the acting chops to go into a darker, more interesting place. Seems like he's made a conscious decision not to. I can respect that.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I think Will Smith would do himself and his career a great service if he'd take on an "edgier" role now and then. I believe he has the acting chops to go into a darker, more interesting place. Seems like he's made a conscious decision not to. I can respect that.

My thoughts exactly, and I think we discussed this a bit earlier in the thread?

Hes very image conscious and the rumor is thats why he turned down the role. Anyhow, I hear Foxx is very good, maybe he will get a career bump from it. He was sorta hot a few years ago, then faded after his run at an Oscar with Ray.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

My thoughts exactly, and I think we discussed this a bit earlier in the thread?

Hes very image conscious and the rumor is thats why he turned down the role. Anyhow, I hear Foxx is very good, maybe he will get a career bump from it. He was sorta hot a few years ago, then sort of faded after his run at an Oscar with Ray.

From what I have read/heard, Smith didn't turn down the role, QT decided he wasn't right for it.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

From what I have read/heard, Smith didn't turn down the role, QT decided he wasn't right for it.

From what I read, Smith couldn't commit due to it not being exactly the right fit, but was open to talking to QT about it again if he couldn't find someone else.

I think I heard that Tarantino talked to Chris Tucker before finding Foxx. That would have been terrible.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

I think I heard that Tarantino talked to Chris Tucker before finding Foxx. That would have been terrible.

heh, that would have been different, but he has worked with QT before. I think hes even done a few dramatic roles? Dead Presidents..Silver Linings Playbook

[the Talking Can]

i have more thoughts about it, but 'awesome' will suffice for now (even though it isn't the confidant, complex movie that was inglorious basterds...easily his most mature work)

the first 3rd was weak by tarantino standards, but when dicaprio (great casting, he ate it up) and candieland arrive the movie takes off

he's brilliant at making movies that are both unquestionably fun entertainments and arguments about our relationship to those entertainments...(and i was never much of a fan until basterds)

fox was a bad ass..."the d is silent, hillbilly"


complete tangent: just walked in to the last 20 mins of phantom menace...absolutely one of the worst, most embarrassingly bad movies ever made...jaw droppingly, offensively bad

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i have more thoughts about it, but 'awesome' will suffice for now (even though it isn't the confidant, complex movie that was inglorious basterds...easily his most mature work)

the first 3rd was weak by tarantino standards, but when dicaprio (great casting, he ate it up) and candieland arrive the movie takes off

he's brilliant at making movies that are both unquestionably fun entertainments and arguments about our relationship to those entertainments...(and i was never much of a fan until basterds)

fox was a bad ass..."the d is silent, hillbilly"

Well said.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Well said.

what has brought me around on tarantino after the last two movies is his understanding and insistence that 'pulp fictions'/genres/low culture have complicated arguments and politics embedded in them...which is obvious, of course, but mostly only in retrospect (culturally); and this allows him to make powerfully fun/instigating movies simply in part by leveraging the already existing cultural arguments within genre (which at this point most in the audience at least sense, even if they couldn't articulate)

i used to think he was cynical in this appropriation...most people who hate him do, but now I think he was just an immature film maker showing off

basterds is a complex, moral work...as much as any made in the last decade...django isn't quite that, but it is more fun and exhilarating (as it deals with america's great wound, instead of europe's)

there was a palpable charge in the theatre at the end...hence my babbling

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

what has brought me around on tarantino after the last two movies is his understanding and insistence that 'pulp fictions'/genres/low culture have complicated arguments and politics embedded in them...which is obvious, of course, but mostly only in retrospect (culturally); and this allows him to make powerfully fun/instigating movies simply in part by leveraging the already existing cultural arguments within genre (which at this point most in the audience at least sense, even if they couldn't articulate)

i used to think he was cynical in this appropriation...most people who hate him do, but now I think he was just an immature film maker showing off

basterds is a complex, moral work...as much as any made in the last decade...django isn't quite that, but it is more fun and exhilarating (as it deals with america's great wound, instead of europe's)

there was a palpable charge in the theatre at the end...hence my babbling

Yep.....you nailed it. Just got through watching it. Great flick. IMO not as good as Basterds or Kill Bill, but damn close. Maybe it will grow on me more over time. I thought it was a little overlong, probably could have used about 15 minutes trim. The QT cameo scene was a little unnecessary.

Interesting how hes empowering the traditionally exploited. What a charge. great fun.

[Deberg_1990]

QT has been riffing on the Spaghetti Western thing since Kill Bill. Mainly Vol. 2. which had many Spaghetti Western elements.