Patriots @ Broncos - who wins?

[Mile High Mania]

Tex, Pasta, others... don't worry, this isn't a divisional preview.

Since the outcome of this game weighs heavy on some of your plans for KC running the table and supplanting Denver as the divisional winner, I figured I would start this thread to be the place for all the game chatter this week.

In another thread, Amnorix and I both have stated that neither of us expects our team to win this one... he gives NE a 50/50 chance thanks in large part to the OL and injuries. And, I get it. I had this pegged as a "very winnable" game with a healthy Peyton Manning, but that was well before 9 TD / 17 INT Manning reared his ugly head.

Brock gets the start and that's never a good thing for a young guy against this coach and that QB. Location and the Denver defense gives me reason for hope, but the Patriots have a sweet defense as well and as long as they have Tom Brady and the Gronk - they can win.

The Broncos should have Sanders back and offensively, they have a lot of options with DT, Sanders, Daniels, Davis, Hillman, Anderson (among others) - they're deep. Question is, how will the Patriots game plan to stop Kubiak's offense. It won't be a mystery really, but they don't have much to go on with Brock... however, they'll be ready and they'll give him fits.

And, they're still undefeated... they're a pretty good team. Overall, Brady is 5-5 vs Denver and has a losing record in Denver (I believe)... again, nothing more than just historical reference there.

I've gone back and forth on scores and while you can call it reverse mojo, it's not ... but I think the Patriots win this one 23-17.

I do think that Brock enters this game with less pressure than last week @ Chicago, only because it's my belief that the team 'hoped' they could win this game with a healthy Manning and that's not possible... so Brock, has lower expectations (hopefully).

So, since this is critical to KC's drive to reach 10/11 wins and knock Denver from the lead... what are the thoughts from the KC faithful?

Enjoy...

[loochy]

Pats of course...the Donks won't score enough

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Apparently the Bills only truly blitzed ten times and when they did Brady killed them. But Amendola was a large part of that.

On the bright side, a lot of the Pats' suckitude was due to the horrific Marcus Cannon at LT. Let's hope Belichick is done with that shit and puts Vollmer over there, which will help the O's production (not to mention save Brady's life).

I can't for the life of me undersand why BB likes Cannon. Dude sucks. And yet we gave him near-starter money to be a swing backup. But...he sucks!

Then again, I thought the same thing about Josh Kline last year and now he's perfectly good.

But damn Cannon blows!

[Amnorix]

Cannon sucking

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CUpUqIqWoAA2fTC.mp4


and another one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CUi79XMWIAAKObp.mp4

[OctoberFart]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Facts. They can be a pain in the ass.

Yep straight from the official investigation and from the scientific engineer/physics professor that studied the case.

Source: Wells Report
The science

■ Investigators hired Exponent, a scientific and engineering consulting firm, and Dr. Daniel R. Marlow, a physics professor at Princeton University, to spearhead the scientific aspects of the case.

■ Exponent found that the loss of air pressure in the Patriots’ footballs could not be explained by any “environmental or physical factors.” The firm accounted for temperature, weather conditions, football actions, functionality, and reliability of the gauges used, and human error.

None of the tests, according to the report, could account for such a “statistically significant” loss of air pressure, which was on average 0.45 to 1.02 less than the Colts’ footballs at halftime.

“This absence of a credible scientific explanation for the Patriots’ halftime measurements tends to support a finding that human intervention may account for the additional loss of pressure exhibited by the Patriots balls,” the report reads.

■ The firm found that a needle can be inserted to release air from 13 footballs in “well under one minute and forty seconds,” the time the report states McNally spent in the bathroom with the footballs after taking them from the officials locker room before the game. Exponent, however, didn’t definitively conclude “there was or was not tampering” based solely on its timing simulations. “The analysis of such data is ultimately dependent upon assumptions and information that is uncertain,” the report reads.

■ Exponent created the same game-day conditions that existed on Jan. 18 and ran experiments to try to achieve the same loss of pressure as the Patriots footballs. It didn’t happen. “Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations,” the report reads.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

First, you seem to be suggesting that a LAW OF PHYSICS did NOT affect the Colts balls. Yeah, that makes sense! Did you even think of what you were saying before you said it?

Second, you won't bother, but here is a lengthy presentation by a Eagles fan, and MIT scientist, explaining how the Patriots balls were in line with the ideal gas law, and the Colts balls were higher due to the fact that the Patriots balls were tested first upon return to the locker room.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/jleonard...ate_final2.pdf


Since you won't read it, here's a portion of the summary:








Yeah, that was part of the point of the tuck rule. It was designed to REMOVE ambiguity and decision-making and "intent". That's why it existed in the first place. They subsequently eliminated the rule, but don't pretend that the Pats/Raiders playoff game is the only time it was ever called. It had been around for quite a while before then, and lasted for a good number of years afterwards.

Hatin' bitches gotta hate.

That presentation is a perfect example of shaping the data to meet a pre-determined conclusion.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

That presentation is a perfect example of shaping the data to meet a pre-determined conclusion.

Exponent and the Wells Report? Yes, yes it was.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by OctoberFart

Yep straight from the official investigation and from the scientific engineer/physics professor that studied the case.

Source: Wells Report
The science

■ Investigators hired Exponent, a scientific and engineering consulting firm, and Dr. Daniel R. Marlow, a physics professor at Princeton University, to spearhead the scientific aspects of the case.

■ Exponent found that the loss of air pressure in the Patriots’ footballs could not be explained by any “environmental or physical factors.” The firm accounted for temperature, weather conditions, football actions, functionality, and reliability of the gauges used, and human error.

None of the tests, according to the report, could account for such a “statistically significant” loss of air pressure, which was on average 0.45 to 1.02 less than the Colts’ footballs at halftime.

“This absence of a credible scientific explanation for the Patriots’ halftime measurements tends to support a finding that human intervention may account for the additional loss of pressure exhibited by the Patriots balls,” the report reads.

■ The firm found that a needle can be inserted to release air from 13 footballs in “well under one minute and forty seconds,” the time the report states McNally spent in the bathroom with the footballs after taking them from the officials locker room before the game. Exponent, however, didn’t definitively conclude “there was or was not tampering” based solely on its timing simulations. “The analysis of such data is ultimately dependent upon assumptions and information that is uncertain,” the report reads.

■ Exponent created the same game-day conditions that existed on Jan. 18 and ran experiments to try to achieve the same loss of pressure as the Patriots footballs. It didn’t happen. “Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations,” the report reads.

As multiple non-Patriot fan scientists have stated, Exponent made several mistakes in their analysis, including not accounting for wind/rain, the effect of keeping the wet balls in bags, rather than in open/dry air, and the effect of the re-warming of the Colts balls in the locker room.

The Patriots balls weren't too low compared to the ideal gas law. The Colts balls were "high", and they were high because of re-warming. But the NFL was focused on proving guilt, and they made it happen.

Professor Leonard's powerpoint presentation lays it all out. I'm not going to rehash the whole thing. The guy is an Eagles fan with NO skin in the game, and explains why the conclusions drawn are inaccurate, and the evidence clearly shows no deflation.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

As multiple non-Patriot fan scientists have stated, Exponent made several mistakes in their analysis, including not accounting for wind/rain, the effect of keeping the wet balls in bags, rather than in open/dry air, and the effect of the re-warming of the Colts balls in the locker room.

The Patriots balls weren't too low compared to the ideal gas law. The Colts balls were "high", and they were high because of re-warming. But the NFL was focused on proving guilt, and they made it happen.

Professor Leonard's powerpoint presentation lays it all out. I'm not going to rehash the whole thing. The guy is an Eagles fan with NO skin in the game, and explains why the conclusions drawn are inaccurate, and the evidence clearly shows no deflation.

Give it up Dude. That Patriots cheated (again), got caught (again) and Tom Brady lied. It's very simple to follow. Problem is that you don't want to. That says worlds about you... Now go have a have a circle-jerk, with other delusional Pats fans, and do semen shots when you're done.

[ChiTown]

Pats will wipe their ass with the Broncos

[Saccopoo]

Patriots are going to knock their dicks in the dirt, and I really don't give two shits about this game.

[OctoberFart]

Brady/Ball boy/Pats or some combination were involved with breaking the rules known as cheating and got caught. They got off on technicalities like a lot of people do in the court system. It is funny to me how all Pat fans will defend all of their BS until the end. It's not like it was one freaking game the balls were thought to be low. The Ravens obviously tipped the Colts off. Admit it, deal with it and it had zero effect on the AFC champ game but breaking rules is breaking rules.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by TEX

Give it up Dude. That Patriots cheated (again), got caught (again) and Tom Brady lied. It's very simple to follow. Problem is that you don't want to. That says worlds about you... Now go have a have a circle-jerk, with other delusional Pats fans, and do semen shots when you're done.

NON-PATRIOTS FAN SCIENTISTS.

Key point that you wish to ignore.

[ThaVirus]

Pats fans are an embarrassment

[Mother****erJones]

The fact that Pats fans have to come here and defend their cheating asses is comedy gold.

Just accept it and move on. Ya got 4 Super Bowls and have been to 6.

[Amnorix]

Great timing. Here's the full lecture by MIT Professor / Eagles fan John Leonard. Only 1.5 hours!! I'm sure everyone will immediately start watching!