Chiefs We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field - Page 8

RunKC · 09-20-2018, 11:17 AM

Still seeing too many snaps like this, guys running free in a deep zone that SHOULD be occupied. I continue to be uncomfortable with Eric Murray's awareness when asked to play zone. pic.twitter.com/dck7kreS4K
— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) September 20, 2018

Everybody pretty much did their job here in the back end except Murray. This defense looks so much worse because of him. The guy just doesn’t have a good read on coverage.

It sucks that we are pressed to play him bc we are forced too due to Sorenson and Berry being hurt.

FWIW Armani Watts played 16 defensive snaps in the Steelers game as opposed to 3 in LA. I think he’s coming up to speed.

Only a matter of time until Murray is on the bench and we look better.

staylor26 · 09-20-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They spent big money on Hitchens and didn't draft a secondary player until the 4th round...

Kendall Fuller even if Marcus Peters was still here, there would be some secondary issues. They basically replaced Peters with a guy who isn't as good and somehow thought they were suppose to get better back there?

Well they obviously were expecting the return of Berry also. Can’t forget that, but I see your point.

I just don’t think we’ve even had enough time to fully evaluate this. We’re 2 games in and we just played two of the top 5 offenses in the NFL on the road in the heat with a big lead and playing a lot of snaps.

It’s way to soon to tell the story of the 2018 Chiefs defense.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-20-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We had the desire to move up for Speaks, right?

So I'd have to say all signs point to "desire".

Then, that's on Veach. If you trade away a talent like Peters, you better get a guy to fill that void.

Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib have allowed 37 yards *combined* through 2 weeks

85 different CBs have allowed more than that on their own
— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) September 17, 2018

Mecca · 09-20-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Well they obviously were expecting the return of Berry also. Can’t forget that, but I see your point.

I just don’t think we’ve even had enough time to fully evaluate this. We’re 2 games in and we just played two of the top 5 offenses in the NFL on the road with a huge lead on the road.

It’s way to soon to tell the story of the 2018 Chiefs defense.

I get that but you have to understand frustration when you see Green Bay starting 2 rookie CB's and both of them playing well, meanwhile this team is basically not playing any rookies other than a handful of Breeland Speaks snaps...Kpass still isn't playing...

For as ****ing horrid as this defense is I don't understand how these guys can't get any snaps. When Reid got here, Ron Parker and Marcus Cooper got starter snaps almost immediately when they were signed out of other teams cuts..but now all of the sudden draft picks have no room to play on a horrible unit?

It's annoyingly frustrating.

At this point Eric Berry is a bigfoot, I'll believe he exists when he's actually on the field.

staylor26 · 09-20-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I get that but you have to understand frustration when you see Green Bay starting 2 rookie CB's and both of them playing well, meanwhile this team is basically not playing any rookies other than a handful of Breeland Speaks snaps...Kpass still isn't playing...

For as ****ing horrid as this defense is I don't understand how these guys can't get any snaps. When Reid got here, Ron Parker and Marcus Cooper got starter snaps almost immediately when they were signed out of other teams cuts..but now all of the sudden draft picks have no room to play on a horrible unit?

It's annoyingly frustrating.

I get it.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-20-2018, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I get that but you have to understand frustration when you see Green Bay starting 2 rookie CB's and both of them playing well, meanwhile this team is basically not playing any rookies other than a handful of Breeland Speaks snaps...Kpass still isn't playing...

For as ****ing horrid as this defense is I don't understand how these guys can't get any snaps. When Reid got here, Ron Parker and Marcus Cooper got starter snaps almost immediately when they were signed out of other teams cuts..but now all of the sudden draft picks have no room to play on a horrible unit?

It's annoyingly frustrating.

At this point Eric Berry is a bigfoot, I'll believe he exists when he's actually on the field.

Peters played, but he was REALLY, REALLY ****ing good.

htismaqe · 09-20-2018, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

A dominant defense would look pretty good right now.

A dominant defense with this team would be an all-time historic team. That wasn't ever going to happen.

Mecca · 09-20-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Peters played, but he was REALLY, REALLY ****ing good.

Yea, defensive players are suppose to be able to get on the field relatively quickly, it's not an offensive playbook.

Other than Peters who saw a ton of snaps early on? Jones did after Devito got hurt...and out of the last 3 drafts I can't think of any who really play much.

saphojunkie · 09-20-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They spent big money on Hitchens and didn't draft a secondary player until the 4th round...

Kendall Fuller even if Marcus Peters was still here, there would be some secondary issues. They basically replaced Peters with a guy who isn't as good and somehow thought they were suppose to get better back there?

I am higher on fuller than others are, I guess. I also feel like everyone talks about how good peters was like the tackling wasn’t a huge problem. It was a huge problem.

Additionally, Berry was supposed to be an improvement to the secondary. That’s the biggest problem right now back there, and then followed by a need for more sacks.

I personally don’t think this defense is as far off as it seems. If we can get a pass rusher, a safety, and a corner in the draft, we should also have cap space to sign a veteran DB. This can be fixed fast, given that Bailey comes off the books.

I would like to see them restructure Houston, given that he’s $21M to keep and $7.5 M to cut next year. Free up some space to give him legit help on the other side. Additionally, Ford’s entire cap number comes off the books. We have to extend Hill, and that will be a huge payday but worth it. Adding a vet pass rusher or CB on a three year deal can really lighten be load for the draft.

RunKC · 09-20-2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

Xavier Williams, Anthony Hitchens and Kendall Fuller looked good on Sunday. **** man Orlando Scandrick looked awesome on Sunday too. Derrick Nnandi has looked good.

Not every addition will look good right off the bat (Speaks) but so far there’s been a good start from Veach.

Berry is coming back soon. Sorenson is coming back soon. Tremon Smith played some dime snaps on Sunday. Watts played 13 more snaps this week. O’Daniel played a 2nd half 3rd down snap Sunday. Young guys are already starting to play more.

This defense is going to get better as the year goes on.

Sassy Squatch · 09-20-2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I am higher on fuller than others are, I guess. I also feel like everyone talks about how good peters was like the tackling wasn’t a huge problem. It was a huge problem.

Additionally, Berry was supposed to be an improvement to the secondary. That’s the biggest problem right now back there, and then followed by a need for more sacks.

I personally don’t think this defense is as far off as it seems. If we can get a pass rusher, a safety, and a corner in the draft, we should also have cap space to sign a veteran DB. This can be fixed fast, given that Bailey comes off the books.

I would like to see them restructure Houston, given that he’s $21M to keep and $7.5 M to cut next year. Free up some space to give him legit help on the other side. Additionally, Ford’s entire cap number comes off the books. We have to extend Hill, and that will be a huge payday but worth it. Adding a vet pass rusher or CB on a three year deal can really lighten be load for the draft.

I hope you meant pay cut when you said restructure.

mcaj22 · 09-20-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Well if you thought they could fix this D in one offseason with what they had to work with I have to really question your intelligence.

you can insult my intelligence all you want but the defense has been in a downhil progression ever since this regime turned it around in 2013... ahem one offseason. It was this teams strength for at least a good 4 years, payers got older, injuries happen, etc but this defense wasnt always this bad. They brought it respectability in 2013 atter one offseasom they can certainly do it again.

staylor26 · 09-20-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Xavier Williams, Anthony Hitchens and Kendall Fuller looked good on Sunday. **** man Orlando Scandrick looked awesome on Sunday too. Derrick Nnandi has looked good.

Not every addition will look good right off the bat (Speaks) but so far there’s been a good start from Veach.

Berry is coming back soon. Sorenson is coming back soon. Tremon Smith played some dime snaps on Sunday. Watts played 13 more snaps this week. O’Daniel played a 2nd half 3rd down snap Sunday. Young guys are already starting to play more.

This defense is going to get better as the year goes on.

I just posted this in another thread, but Scandrick has a better PFF grade than Trumaine Johnson, Malcolm Butler, and Kyle Fuller

So many people complaining that we didn’t spend money on a corner instead of Watkins

Pitt Gorilla · 09-20-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I am higher on fuller than others are, I guess. I also feel like everyone talks about how good peters was like the tackling wasn’t a huge problem. It was a huge problem.

Additionally, Berry was supposed to be an improvement to the secondary. That’s the biggest problem right now back there, and then followed by a need for more sacks.

I personally don’t think this defense is as far off as it seems. If we can get a pass rusher, a safety, and a corner in the draft, we should also have cap space to sign a veteran DB. This can be fixed fast, given that Bailey comes off the books.

I would like to see them restructure Houston, given that he’s $21M to keep and $7.5 M to cut next year. Free up some space to give him legit help on the other side. Additionally, Ford’s entire cap number comes off the books. We have to extend Hill, and that will be a huge payday but worth it. Adding a vet pass rusher or CB on a three year deal can really lighten be load for the draft.

Ford has been one of best pass rushers this season. How are you replacing him in this scenario?

saphojunkie · 09-20-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

I hope you meant pay cut when you said restructure.

I would extend him two years, converting his salary this year to a signing bonus that can be amortized, while dramatically lowering his base salary and cap number for the next four seasons, allowing us to get out from under it later.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-20-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I just posted this in another thread, but Scandrick has a better PFF grade than Trumaine Johnson, Malcolm Butler, and Kyle Fuller

So many people complaining that we didn’t spend money on a corner instead of Watkins

I really liked his play last week. If he keeps that up, he's been a brilliant find by Veach.

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2249611	We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field Still seeing too many snaps like this, guys running free in a deep zone that SHOULD be occupied. I continue to be uncomfortable with Eric Murray's awareness when asked to play zone. pic.twitter.com/dck7kreS4K — Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) September 20, 2018 Everybody pretty much did their job here in the back end except Murray. This defense looks so much worse because of him. The guy just doesn’t have a good read on coverage. It sucks that we are pressed to play him bc we are forced too due to Sorenson and Berry being hurt. FWIW Armani Watts played 16 defensive snaps in the Steelers game as opposed to 3 in LA. I think he’s coming up to speed. Only a matter of time until Murray is on the bench and we look better.
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