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Old 06-02-2017, 05:36 PM  
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:27 AM   #856
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Go cut them using their calculator. It increases the cap space by $6 million for Allen Bailey.

It's already factoring in the dead money. He has an $8M cap hit. $2 million would be dead money and $6 million would be cap savings.
Yeah, you're double-counting the dead money, Run.

Essentially add up the base salary plus any bonuses that won't be earned and you'll have your cap savings. The signing bonus 'carries through' and hits the cap. The June 1 designation wouldn't matter either way as Bailey's in his last year.

You're high on the dead money across the board.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:35 AM   #857
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We currently have $11.5 million, but after rookie deals that will be $7 million of potential rollover.
The Chiefs won't have a first round pick in 2018, so the money needed to sign the rookie class will be far less than $4.5 million.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:36 AM   #858
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Not able to use the calculator on my phone but I'll take your word for it. That's even better news bc it means we will gain even more money.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:37 AM   #859
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The Chiefs can win the same number of games with or without Maclin so he was expendable. That being said from just about any way you look at it the more information I learn the less sense this move makes. There must have been something else than just cap money.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:38 AM   #861
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Also FWIW with Maclin, he only had 2 more receiving TD's than Hill in his 2015 season. Hill only had 2/3 of the targets last season that Maclin had in 2015.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:39 AM   #862
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The Chiefs won't have a first round pick in 2018, so the money needed to sign the rookie class will be far less than $4.5 million.
I think he's talking about this year
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The Chiefs can win the same number of games with or without Maclin so he was expendable. That being said from just about any way you look at it the more information I learn the less sense this move makes. There must have been something else than just cap money.
The development of Conley, Hill, Robinson, Jones and others most likely accelerated this decision.
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The Chiefs can win the same number of games with or without Maclin so he was expendable. That being said from just about any way you look at it the more information I learn the less sense this move makes. There must have been something else than just cap money.
I think bottom line they needed the money and Hill took Maclin's job. Conley is the #2 WR regardless and the other receivers will still compete for the 3rd spot.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:45 AM   #865
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The Chiefs can win the same number of games with or without Maclin so he was expendable. That being said from just about any way you look at it the more information I learn the less sense this move makes. There must have been something else than just cap money.
Why?

The Cap money is really as much an explanation as is needed.

Though here's another spin on it (one I like far less) - what if Mahomes' early performance has them a little more spooked than they expected?

Because there was no way to keep Smith on this roster next year, IMO. The money just wasn't going to work. But now with an additional $10 million of freed up rollover (and the knowledge that Smith's weapons don't actually impact his play), the possibility of keeping Smith in '18 is actually back in play.

I hate it, but it's true.
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The Chiefs can win the same number of games with or without Maclin so he was expendable. That being said from just about any way you look at it the more information I learn the less sense this move makes. There must have been something else than just cap money.
Especially considering the Chiefs could have released Maclin earlier during the offseason, and saved the same $10 million in salary cap room by designating Maclin as a post-June 1st cut.
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Why?

The Cap money is really as much an explanation as is needed.

Though here's another spin on it (one I like far less) - what if Mahomes' early performance has them a little more spooked than they expected?

Because there was no way to keep Smith on this roster next year, IMO. The money just wasn't going to work. But now with an additional $10 million of freed up rollover (and the knowledge that Smith's weapons don't actually impact his play), the possibility of keeping Smith in '18 is actually back in play.

I hate it, but it's true.
It's the timing of the move.

Why not release Maclin in March and designate him as a post-June 1st cut? The Chiefs would have saved the same $10 million in salary cap space.
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Why?

The Cap money is really as much an explanation as is needed.

Though here's another spin on it (one I like far less) - what if Mahomes' early performance has them a little more spooked than they expected?

Because there was no way to keep Smith on this roster next year, IMO. The money just wasn't going to work. But now with an additional $10 million of freed up rollover (and the knowledge that Smith's weapons don't actually impact his play), the possibility of keeping Smith in '18 is actually back in play.

I hate it, but it's true.
I don't think the Maclin move has anything to do with them wanting to keep Smith. They could have cut him next offseason and gained the same amount of cap room, if that were the case.

I think they just needed some cap room now for this year, and they feel good about their other WRs.
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Why?

The Cap money is really as much an explanation as is needed.

Though here's another spin on it (one I like far less) - what if Mahomes' early performance has them a little more spooked than they expected?

Because there was no way to keep Smith on this roster next year, IMO. The money just wasn't going to work. But now with an additional $10 million of freed up rollover (and the knowledge that Smith's weapons don't actually impact his play), the possibility of keeping Smith in '18 is actually back in play.

I hate it, but it's true.
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