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saphojunkie · 11:59 AM

Now with 800% more crapshoot!

Roster:

Spoiler!

SCHEDULE

Spoiler!

Notable dates:

Late Night in the Phog
Oct 1 6:30 PM
Allen Fieldhouse
Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM

Champions Classic:
Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke

CBE Hall of Fame Classic:
semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC.
Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ).

Armed Forces Classic
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN)
Indiana vs. Kansas
Arizona vs. Michigan State

BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE
Kansas vs. Kentucky
Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY
Jan 28, 2017

Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship.

Titty Meat · 01-06-2017, 04:12 PM

I wanna see Nebraska & KU in the big dance at Sprint Center this year guys

BWillie · 01-06-2017, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

I wanna see Nebraska & KU in the big dance at Sprint Center this year guys

Big 10 looks pretty weak this year. Should have a shot.

O.city · 01-06-2017, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

There isn't much more to it right now, only that the players know.

Oh, cool. That would be nice. I haven't looked at next year's recruiting class at all yet but he'd be a huge get.

Kiimo · 01-06-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf

To me, the biggest disappointment on this team to date is Svi. The guy can shoot, but it appears that's all he can do. At 6'8", I believe he got zero, ZERO, rebounds in the KSU game. That's beyond horrible. Heck, you'd pretty much have to go out of your way to avoid a loose ball rebound.......and he did.

Plus, he's just a horrible passer. Can't tell you how many times he's passed the ball to the defender RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! AAnd lastly, he cannot guard anyone. Seems like all he wants to do is stand around the 3-point line and shoot. Wow, way to give it up for the team, Svi!

Frankly, I'd bench the guy until he decided to play defense. Hells/bells, give me Lightfoot or ANYONE else who might give a rats ass about hustle and solid team play. Time to get down and dirty, Svi.

Goddam what a terrible post.

He's younger than Josh Jackson.

**Meatloaf** · 01-06-2017, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Goddam what a terrible post.

He's younger than Josh Jackson.

Yeah, Svi's young, but not exactly in a basketball sense as he's been playing since forever. His rebouncing and defensive skills are simply horrible. He's played enough ball by now that these skills should be MUCH more refined.

Are you not watching these games? His guy can pretty much blow by him at will. ....and that has very little to do with the fact that he's younger than Jackson. THAT has to do with improving a basketball skill which from the way I see it, just hasn't improved. All the kid wants to do is shoot. Very, very limited. And, if that's how he wants it, I'd sit him until I saw a bit more effort. Probably just me though....

**Meatloaf** · 01-06-2017, 06:03 PM

BTW, part of my frustration with Svi is that he has SO MUCH to offer. The kid is loaded with innate physical talent, and I want to see him reach his potential. At his present rate, that ain't gonna happen. Anyway, I like Svi a LOT, just want him to be the player I KNOW he can be!!!

Titty Meat · 01-06-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Big 10 looks pretty weak this year. Should have a shot.

3-0 in conference play for the first time in 41 years

.

KU is going to get the #1 overall seed they'll def. Play in KC.

Prison Bitch · 01-06-2017, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Well, you were right last time. I forget what it was, so hopefully you are right. He's probably just opening his recruitment as he knows Romar is probably getting canned and daddy gotta find a new job.

They're in a tough spot with him because they're not a premium program and he's the best recruiter in college sports. Yeah I said that. He is almost guaranteed to have a long ass leash

KCCHIEFS27 · 01-06-2017, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf

Yeah, Svi's young, but not exactly in a basketball sense as he's been playing since forever. His rebouncing and defensive skills are simply horrible. He's played enough ball by now that these skills should be MUCH more refined.

Are you not watching these games? His guy can pretty much blow by him at will. ....and that has very little to do with the fact that he's younger than Jackson. THAT has to do with improving a basketball skill which from the way I see it, just hasn't improved. All the kid wants to do is shoot. Very, very limited. And, if that's how he wants it, I'd sit him until I saw a bit more effort. Probably just me though....

None of our perimeter defenders can stop anybody this year, so it shouldn't all be directed at Svi. This teams help defense is especially heinous. The guy has had limited time playing in the previous two years, plus when he has played there wasn't much need to rebound with the bigs he has been around. Add in the fact that the kid has mainly played PG for his Ukraine national team so there hasn't been much skill development towards that fundamental. Quite frankly, as I'm sure you know, rebounding is one of those things that comes naturally. A guy has a sense for it or he doesn't. Maybe he'll figure it out!

HolyHandgernade · 01-07-2017, 12:02 AM

I think there's a lot more going on. We're playing a different type of set offensively which mean players are having to adjust the defense based on the offensive personnel. That takes time. The absence of a shot blocker usually dictates a worse defensive rating. The adjustment to calling fouls to allow more free range of motion makes players gun shy about playing defense more aggressively.

Now, I'm sure some of it is what Self alludes to when he talks about "pride". But has anyone really looked across the college basketball landscape and thought, "that's a scary good defensive team"? They've changed the rules to promote scoring, I can't quite figure out why people are so perplexed about the lack of defense. Does anyone remember our players seemingly fouling out every early game this year?

Our team can score. The college game is evolving into a more pro-offense mentality because fans like that. It will take a while for defenses to adjust. I don't mean in terms of games, I mean seasons, from a coaching perspective. But, we're not going to see the classic lock down defenses like many of Self's past teams were, and I'm sure its going to be grudgingly acknowledged by Self. If the rules are there to promote offense, maybe we should just come to terms with that.

This team will be fine because it can score. It will be in closer games, too. I'm not so sure the end result is going to be much different. We'll still win a lot more than we lose. I think we'll see a lot more uses of junk defenses to throw the rhythm off for the opposition. I think that will ultimately be the adjustment.

C3HIEF3S · 01-07-2017, 02:34 PM

On phone can't embed:

@JonRothstein: Arizona State transfer Sam Cunliffe tells me that he has committed to Kansas.

**BigRedChief** · 01-07-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

On phone can't embed:

@JonRothstein: Arizona State transfer Sam Cunliffe tells me that he has committed to Kansas.

so? How good is he?

C3HIEF3S · 01-07-2017, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

so? How good is he?

Was a 4-star prospect out of high school. Averaged 9.5 PPG in 10 games at ASU this year. Seems like a pretty unexpected move for KU. Anything beyond that I have no idea, honestly.

**Meatloaf** · 01-07-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

I think there's a lot more going on. We're playing a different type of set offensively which mean players are having to adjust the defense based on the offensive personnel. That takes time. The absence of a shot blocker usually dictates a worse defensive rating. The adjustment to calling fouls to allow more free range of motion makes players gun shy about playing defense more aggressively.

Now, I'm sure some of it is what Self alludes to when he talks about "pride". But has anyone really looked across the college basketball landscape and thought, "that's a scary good defensive team"? They've changed the rules to promote scoring, I can't quite figure out why people are so perplexed about the lack of defense. Does anyone remember our players seemingly fouling out every early game this year?

Our team can score. The college game is evolving into a more pro-offense mentality because fans like that. It will take a while for defenses to adjust. I don't mean in terms of games, I mean seasons, from a coaching perspective. But, we're not going to see the classic lock down defenses like many of Self's past teams were, and I'm sure its going to be grudgingly acknowledged by Self. If the rules are there to promote offense, maybe we should just come to terms with that.

This team will be fine because it can score. It will be in closer games, too. I'm not so sure the end result is going to be much different. We'll still win a lot more than we lose. I think we'll see a lot more uses of junk defenses to throw the rhythm off for the opposition. I think that will ultimately be the adjustment.

Nice post, HH!

**BigRedChief** · 01-07-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

This team will be fine because it can score. It will be in closer games, too. I'm not so sure the end result is going to be much different. We'll still win a lot more than we lose.

I'd like to point out this part of your otherwise good post......

Missouri State will win more than they lose too. That's not the bar as far as I'm concerned.

We don't get better defensively and have more of an inside presence, it's going to be an early exit again, in the tourney.

04-07-2016, 12:22 PM
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4746250	*** Official 2016-2017 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread * Now with 800% more crapshoot! Roster: Spoiler! RETURNING PLAYERS: Frank Mason, sr. Landen Lucas, sr. Devonte Graham, jr. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, jr. Dwight Coleby, jr. Carlton Bragg, soph. Legerald Vick, sop. Tyler Self, sr. Clay Young, RS JR. INCOMING PLAYERS: Josh Jackson - Rivals #1 player, ESPN100 #3 overall player Udoka Azubuike, fr. Mitch Lightfoot, fr. Evan Maxwell, jr. (sits out year due to transfer rules) Malik Newman, RSSOPH (sits out year due to transfer rules) SCHEDULE Spoiler! WASHBURN (EXH.) TUE, NOVEMBER 1 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. EMPORIA STATE (EXH) MON, NOVEMBER 7 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE ARMED FORCES CLASSIC INDIANA FRI, NOVEMBER 11 HONOLULU, HAWAII JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM STATE FARM CHAMPIONS CLASSIC CHAMPIONS CLASSIC DUKE TUE, NOVEMBER 15 NEW YORK, N.Y. MADISON SQUARE GARDEN VS. SIENA FRI, NOVEMBER 18 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE CBE HALL OF FAME CLASSIC MON, NOVEMBER 21 TBA TUE, NOVEMBER 22 TBA KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER VS. UNC ASHEVILLE FRI, NOVEMBER 25 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. LONG BEACH STATE TUE, NOVEMBER 29 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. STANFORD SAT, DECEMBER 3 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. UMKC TUE, DECEMBER 6 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. NEBRASKA SAT, DECEMBER 10 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE JAYHAWK SHOOTOUT DAVIDSON SAT, DECEMBER 17 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER @ UNLV THU, DECEMBER 22 LAS VEGAS, NEV. THOMAS & MACK CENTER SONIC SEC/BIG 12 CHALLENGE BIG12/SEC CHALLENGE @ KENTUCKY SAT, JANUARY 28 LEXINGTON, KY RUPP ARENA TV: ESPN/2/U CONFERENCE SCHEDULE TBA PHILLIPS 66 BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND WED, MARCH 8 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER QUARTERFINALS THU, MARCH 9 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER SEMIFINALS FRI, MARCH 10 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER FINAL SAT, MARCH 11 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER NCAA MEN'S BASKELL CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND THU, MARCH 16 - FRI, MARCH 17 SECOND ROUND SAT, MARCH 18 - SUN, MARCH 19 SWEET SIXTEEN THU, MARCH 23 - FRI, MARCH 24 ELITE EIGHT SAT, MARCH 25 - SUN, MARCH 26 FINAL FOUR - GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM FINAL FOUR SAT, APRIL 1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP MON, APRIL 3 GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM Notable dates:** Late Night in the Phog Oct 1 6:30 PM Allen Fieldhouse Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM Champions Classic: Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke CBE Hall of Fame Classic: semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC. Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ). Armed Forces Classic Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN) Indiana vs. Kansas Arizona vs. Michigan State BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE Kansas vs. Kentucky Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY Jan 28, 2017 Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship. Last edited by saphojunkie; 07-01-2016 at 11:59 AM..
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01-07-2017, 12:02 AM	#940
HolyHandgernade Integralist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Casino cash: $10006370	I think there's a lot more going on. We're playing a different type of set offensively which mean players are having to adjust the defense based on the offensive personnel. That takes time. The absence of a shot blocker usually dictates a worse defensive rating. The adjustment to calling fouls to allow more free range of motion makes players gun shy about playing defense more aggressively. Now, I'm sure some of it is what Self alludes to when he talks about "pride". But has anyone really looked across the college basketball landscape and thought, "that's a scary good defensive team"? They've changed the rules to promote scoring, I can't quite figure out why people are so perplexed about the lack of defense. Does anyone remember our players seemingly fouling out every early game this year? Our team can score. The college game is evolving into a more pro-offense mentality because fans like that. It will take a while for defenses to adjust. I don't mean in terms of games, I mean seasons, from a coaching perspective. But, we're not going to see the classic lock down defenses like many of Self's past teams were, and I'm sure its going to be grudgingly acknowledged by Self. If the rules are there to promote offense, maybe we should just come to terms with that. This team will be fine because it can score. It will be in closer games, too. I'm not so sure the end result is going to be much different. We'll still win a lot more than we lose. I think we'll see a lot more uses of junk defenses to throw the rhythm off for the opposition. I think that will ultimately be the adjustment. __________________ You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember, the last laugh is on you, and always look on the bright side of life!
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