Music Nirvana Live at Reading... NEVER FORGET GREATNESS - Page 3

**Easy 6** · 03-20-2014, 08:26 PM

These guys, what can I say, they were just one step ahead of the curve... **** musicianship gripes and bullshit about "oh he was no Satriani", give me great SONGS, and these guys sure as hell did.

If you have an hour or two, just watch away and take a time machine trip back to when ROCK ruled and wasn't some afterthought... grimey, melodic, subversive, pick a cool word.

Been blasting this for a while now tonight and just HAD to share...

**Baby Lee** · 03-21-2014, 05:49 PM

I mentioned it in the Oscars thread when it aired, but music lovers owe it to themselves to watch '20 Feet From Stardom.'

The main story is about backup singers, but it also really opens your eyes about all the small touches that makes good music great, even immortal.

CoMoChief · 03-21-2014, 06:22 PM

Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Live
STP

Oh the good ol days...

NewChief · 03-21-2014, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

There's a lot of truth to that. When you're growing up and you kind of figure out the type of music speaks to you the most, there's always people in the older generation that shit on the bands you love. There's a lot of new music kids are into these days that I can't for the life of me get into but I try not to judge peoples tastes.

The only thing that's aggrevating too me is that way too many artists are described as musical geniuses. So many of these white liberal music critics are afraid of being called racist, so they'll gush over Kanye Wests albums and call him a genius.

I'm into music enough that I actually set a challenge for myself. I had TONS of people whose musical opinions I respected (Reaper16 on this board being one) who loved metal. I've never been able to get into metal at all, even though I love a lot of different genres. I decided that there must be some reason that metal is good and appealing. So... I set about listening to metal a few years back (I actually started a thread explaining what qualities I appreciated in music and looking for metal albums that would fit that bill) in order to discover what people liked about it. It took a while, but I eventually developed a taste for metal.

The moral (I guess): is that passing value judgements on music (this decade is better than this decade or music stopped being good at this point) is sort of silly and a non starter.

Since then, my musical viewing has completely changed. I almost always listen to stuff and ask myself, "Why do people like this? What's appealing about it?" It's sort of a dispassionate, academic way of viewing music, but it's really increased the scope of music I find enjoyable. Admittedly, there are times when I'm just throwing my hands in the air screaming, "STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM NOW WE HERE," but a lot of the time, even with the poppiest bullshit, I'm just interested in figuring out why it has appeal.

rocknrolla · 03-21-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Live
STP

Oh the good ol days...

FYP to my taste. Yes, sad but true. The good old days.
Smashing pumpkins, Pearl Jam & Red Hot Chilies at memorial hall in 91' was one of the best. Live & STP are both great live bands. CoMo you have good taste in music!

**Bowser** · 03-21-2014, 07:53 PM

Kurt Cobain wasn't even the best musician in his own band.

**KcMizzou** · 03-21-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Kurt Cobain wasn't even the best musician in his own band.

In a way it hurts to hear that. I love Nirvana.

But Dave Grohl is ****ing amazing.

Two very different bands. You can't beat Nirvana for the pure rage/angst. Foo Fighters are more refined, mature... but still basically carrying to torch for "rock".

rocknrolla · 03-21-2014, 08:12 PM

To me Dave Grohl is the one person who has kept rock and roll alive I.E Sound City. Being a huge PJ fan, Dave is the one that realizes how music should be made. He is rock and roll's savoir. All tape!

**KcMizzou** · 03-21-2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rocknrolla

To me Dave Grohl is the one person who has kept rock and roll alive I.E Sound City. Being a huge PJ fan, Dave is the one that realizes how music should be made. He is rock and roll's savoir. All tape!

Every fan of rock should see that documentary.

rocknrolla · 03-21-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Every fan of rock should see that documentary.

Rock and Roll say's Thank you Dave!

**Baby Lee** · 03-21-2014, 09:26 PM

Decidedly not RnR, but I submit that every person who insists that the digital age hasn't changed things, or has made them better, should be required to sit done with a quality sound system and listen to;

Jennifer Warnes - Famous Blue Raincoat, and
Jazz at the Pawnshop

and get back to us.

dynamic range, instrument placement, ambiance, incidentals, that slight slide of brushes across snare, the depth of Warnes' vocals, the tinkle of dinnerware at 'the pawnshop' . . . so much more immersive, and demonstrative of what attention to sonic detail can offer. You can close your eyes and envision exactly where the sax is sitting, and the bass, and the piano, etc.

Unless you have the most boss PC based system ever, this will be a pale imitation, but a taste of what quality mastering can do.

That's what I loved about Otis Redding, he really put effort into the phrasing, soundstage and dynamics of his singing, listen to how he attacks the start of each phrase, it's like he's yelping in pain at what he has to say, then fades into despair. that and the strong horns set the entire mood of the song.

Dr. Gigglepants · 03-22-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Music right now is amazing, and we have better access to a wider variety of music than ever before. Back in the day, you were forced to guzzle whatever the mainstream media and radio poured down your throats (Payola anyone?). Now there are, literally, thousands of quality music blogs out there that serve up new music in whatever genre you love.

No rock music as some kind of shared cultural phenomenon where everyone was cranking up "Slowride" on their jambox while climbing to the top of the water tower to smoke a doob? Not so much, but there's tons of great music out there.

That being said, I'm not going to begrudge you your nostalgia, I just think there's lots of good music coming out.

Check out The War on Drugs new album, "Lost in the Dream."

Can't remember where I came across this blog, probably here, but if anyone wants an endless supply of new music check this guy out. This is a 25 minute synopsis of his time at SXSW. I hadn't heard of more than a few of these people before this video...definitely going to check out Future Islands.

**Easy 6** · 03-22-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Kurt Cobain wasn't even the best musician in his own band.

That's true, and any knowledgeable fan will agree, but it wasn't his musicianship that made him great... it was his songwriting ability and authenticity that made him great.

**Easy 6** · 03-22-2014, 04:45 PM

For those of you who didn't watch the concert, here is a song I'd never heard of before watching and its one of their very best IMO...

NewChief · 03-22-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

For those of you who didn't watch the concert, here is a song I'd never heard of before watching and its one of their very best IMO...

It's a cover of a punk band from the 80s called Fang:

Pablo · 03-22-2014, 06:08 PM

Nirvana still appealed to me a decade ago when I was a teen. Their songs get a quick flip any time they come on the radio. Still, they were undeniably huge and important to rock music.

And their influence in quite a bit of today's music is a big deal. Grohl is the man. Honestly can't give a shit about Cobain when Dave is still kicking and making good music.

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03-21-2014, 05:49 PM	#31
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03-21-2014, 09:26 PM	#40
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	Decidedly not RnR, but I submit that every person who insists that the digital age hasn't changed things, or has made them better, should be required to sit done with a quality sound system and listen to; Jennifer Warnes - Famous Blue Raincoat, and Jazz at the Pawnshop and get back to us. dynamic range, instrument placement, ambiance, incidentals, that slight slide of brushes across snare, the depth of Warnes' vocals, the tinkle of dinnerware at 'the pawnshop' . . . so much more immersive, and demonstrative of what attention to sonic detail can offer. You can close your eyes and envision exactly where the sax is sitting, and the bass, and the piano, etc. Unless you have the most boss PC based system ever, this will be a pale imitation, but a taste of what quality mastering can do. That's what I loved about Otis Redding, he really put effort into the phrasing, soundstage and dynamics of his singing, listen to how he attacks the start of each phrase, it's like he's yelping in pain at what he has to say, then fades into despair. that and the strong horns set the entire mood of the song. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W. Last edited by Baby Lee; 03-21-2014 at 09:43 PM..
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Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $2019356	Nirvana still appealed to me a decade ago when I was a teen. Their songs get a quick flip any time they come on the radio. Still, they were undeniably huge and important to rock music. And their influence in quite a bit of today's music is a big deal. Grohl is the man. Honestly can't give a shit about Cobain when Dave is still kicking and making good music.
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