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Old 04-01-2012, 03:23 PM  
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Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread
There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...

I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:00 AM   #2326
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:50 AM   #2327
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:53 AM   #2328
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They've made Cersei into a character who can be loved and Daenerys into a boring character.
I still don't buy her love of her children at all. She loves power, and that is all. If she loved her children, she would have let Stannis or Renly have the Iron Throne. The rest is just her using them to manipulate others, especially Jamie and Tywin.

I really enjoyed it, and didn't miss Lady Stoneheart at all. Her appearance didn't fit with the season 4 themes. I wouldn't be surprised to hear they shot it, and didn't include it after looking at the whole episode.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:05 AM   #2329
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:06 AM   #2330
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I still don't buy her love of her children at all. She loves power, and that is all. If she loved her children, she would have let Stannis or Renly have the Iron Throne. The rest is just her using them to manipulate others, especially Jamie and Tywin.

I really enjoyed it, and didn't miss Lady Stoneheart at all. Her appearance didn't fit with the season 4 themes. I wouldn't be surprised to hear they shot it, and didn't include it after looking at the whole episode.
I feel stoneheart coming next season. With Lena Headey posting that picture saying "My stone heart" on instagram and also the fact that they are probably in the process of filming right now.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:07 AM   #2331
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I feel stoneheart coming next season. With Lena Headey posting that picture saying "My stone heart" on instagram and also the fact that they are probably in the process of filming right now.
I'm thinking episode 3 or 4. Have to reintroduce the band and everything.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:56 AM   #2332
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I was referring to how she had to make yet another heroic speech about how much she loves her children and how everything she ever does is for them. Again. Because, you know, we must sympathize with her. She's not really a bad person, deep down!

I don't mind departures from the book. They've done a great job with Brienne. But they've made Cersei a completely different creature. Her love for her children, as written by GRRM, was a selfish thing. They've completely missed that note over and over and over.
I think people mis-remember Cersei from the books. Both Tyrion and Varys comment on how she truly loves her children more than herself.

The idea that her "love" for her children is selfish at its core is a reader invention, as far as I can tell.

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Varys hasn't exactly made a career out of misjudging people's intentions.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:03 PM   #2333
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I agree that in the books she does genuinely love her children, and it's not really a selfish love.

BUT, the series does make her much more sympathetic than she is in the books.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:35 PM   #2334
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My interpretation of her in the books, and admittedly I've only read them 4 or 5 times, is that she "loves" her children the way a pageant mom does. Her every action, to my recollection, is about herself.
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Didn't think they'd have him kill Shae. Welp as much as they have white washed Tyrion I bet everyone forgave him for that murder.
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Didn't think they'd have him kill Shae. Welp as much as they have white washed Tyrion I bet everyone forgave him for that murder.
Shit, I remember getting to that part in the book and thinking "Well **** yeah he strangled her to death".
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Shit, I remember getting to that part in the book and thinking "Well **** yeah he strangled her to death".
Yep. She earned it.
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Book Shae definitely had it coming, even more so than TV show Shae.
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I agree that in the books she does genuinely love her children, and it's not really a selfish love.

BUT, the series does make her much more sympathetic than she is in the books.
Sure, same as Tyrion.

To the contrary, Stannis is being vilified in the show.
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