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Old 09-20-2018, 11:17 AM  
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We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field


Everybody pretty much did their job here in the back end except Murray. This defense looks so much worse because of him. The guy just doesn’t have a good read on coverage.

It sucks that we are pressed to play him bc we are forced too due to Sorenson and Berry being hurt.

FWIW Armani Watts played 16 defensive snaps in the Steelers game as opposed to 3 in LA. I think he’s coming up to speed.

Only a matter of time until Murray is on the bench and we look better.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:23 PM   #46
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That sounds like "hindsight" to me, dude. Maybe even close to 100%.

And remember this, my friend; legion are the high school science labs that have been blown to hell and gone due to extrapolation.

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Old 09-20-2018, 12:23 PM   #47
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where you are suppose to be a zone, matter of fact a safety or a DB in general really should be able to understand that within a few days of being on the team.

This isn't some exotic zone that is hard to get, this is something every team does.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:24 PM   #48
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If its cover 3 and Murray is the SS, where is he supposed to be?
If they're in cover 3, he's supposed to be in the middle of the field close to the goal line, where Nelson ends up because Nelson should have been covering the wide side of the field but broke off because he saw Murray screwing up...
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:28 PM   #49
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If they're in cover 3, he's supposed to be in the middle of the field close to the goal line, where Nelson ends up because Nelson should have been covering the wide side of the field but broke off because he saw Murray screwing up...
If he's the strong safety, he's the hole defender.

Parker is supposed to be in the MOF if he's the FS.

The ball is on the Left Hash
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:29 PM   #50
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I was agreeing with your comment that we don't know who's supposed to be doing what, I was just commenting that it's hard to believe that where he should be is right next to Nelson (or whomever that is) doing nothing, allowing James to pass behind him to an area no one is occupying. It looks for all the world like there was supposed to be an exchange there and Murray just flubbed it.
(Looks around for Sorter)

Based on my understanding of it, if he's the hole defender, he's supposed to be under the deep in and over the under routes making it where the QB has to throw over him and under the deep 3rd players.

I have no clue
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:30 PM   #51
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If he's the strong safety, he's the hole defender.

Parker is supposed to be in the MOF if he's the FS.
Parker and whoever is outside of Hitchens on the short side have the short flat zones. Watch the play again. It's 3 deep cover.

Hitchens has the middle zone. The 2 DBs on his outside (looks like Parker but I can't tell who the other is) rotate to the flats into their zones. The outside corners have the deep outside zones. The deep middle is wide open for one reason only...

Murray is in the wrong place.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:32 PM   #52
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From watching the play, they appear to be in dime with Parker in one of the up slots. He's not the FS on this play, Murray actually is.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:34 PM   #53
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Parker and whoever is outside of Hitchens on the short side have the short flat zones. Watch the play again. It's 3 deep cover.

Hitchens has the middle zone. The 2 DBs on his outside (looks like Parker but I can't tell who the other is) rotate to the flats into their zones. The outside corners have the deep outside zones. The deep middle is wide open for one reason only...

Murray is in the wrong place.
If it's cover 3, Parker is supposed to be in the deep middle, he shades to the strong side. The ball is on the left hash to start.

If Parker is the FS that is. I dunno if they label it or play strong vs weak based on the field or alignment.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:36 PM   #54
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From watching the play, they appear to be in dime with Parker in one of the up slots. He's not the FS on this play, Murray actually is.
If he's on one of the slot wr's, why is he immediately dropping out?
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:37 PM   #55
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The bigger issue with Murray is that he just stands there flat ass footed.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:37 PM   #56
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You could've put him completely whiffing the sack while running untouched and it would've been just as effective an argument.
I warned him last week on this. Big Ben is named aptly. Don't even try to sack him, you'll just bounce off. Hopefully we learn this prior to the playoffs.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:49 PM   #57
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But...but...Eric Berry won't make any difference.
Sure he will, for the one half he plays this year.
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Justin Reid also....

Murray and Nelson was basically straight up man CBs and now we have Murray trying to play safety and he just looks lost doing it, and Nelson looks horrid in zone also...

This team is going to have to move on from so many guys because they frankly don't have dudes to do what needs to be done.

But really you can't tell me that Eric Murray is their best option out there, his football IQ sucks balls because he is never where he is supposed to be.
The problem I have with this is the Chiefs basically said at the end of last season it's the players not the scheme. They put their chips on backing Sutton, which is fine. Now you have all these new players and still the same problems if not worse. So are they going to honestly double down on the scheme/Sutton and blame the players again for the second season in a row. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice...
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Well, to be fair, they're playing with 2 safeties they probably didn't think would be playing.

But that's the NFL.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:57 PM   #60
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This guy lays it out better than I did.
Maybe we're both wrong?
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