Matt Barkley doesn't resemble elite quarterback prospect in 2012

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.

The reason I said rgIII was sure fire was that... Yeah, I believed rgIIIs floor was at the worst an elite running qb. I believed his most likely upside as to be a big Ben qb that was so elusive in the pocket that he could extend plays even if he couldn't make a lightning quick read.

Genos success will depend on being an elite pocket qb. He has to be elite at pre snap reads. Elite at going through progressions. Elite at making unbelievably fast hot reads, blitz pickups, and getting rid of the ball very quickly. Things he hasn't been asked to do.

RgIII would have succeeded even if he was only average at those things. Geno won't be. Hence, he is a riskier prospect. I like geno. But again, I'm not going to exaggerate his stock.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No. I don't know how that even applies. And rgIII walked into the nfl with a much better pocket passing skill set than geno anyway.

That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The reason I said rgIII was sure fire was that... Yeah, I believed rgIIIs floor was at the worst an elite running qb. I believed his most likely upside as to be a big Ben qb that was so elusive in the pocket that he could extend plays even if he couldn't make a lightning quick read.

Genos success will depend on being an elite pocket qb. He has to be elite at pre snap reads. Elite at going through progressions. Elite at making unbelievably fast hot reads, blitz pickups, and getting rid of the ball very quickly. Things he hasn't been asked to do.

RgIII would have succeeded even if he was only average at those things. Geno won't be. Hence, he is a riskier prospect. I like geno. But again, I'm not going to exaggerate his stock.

Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.



Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.

Smith can't overcome shit to win a game. RGIII did.

[redrage16]

Believe me i was high on this guy he is a backup at best listen to a vol fan

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Smith can't overcome shit to win a game. RGIII did.

Name me one QB that can overcome shit every game.

I'm talking about a guy that is trying to keep up with opposing offenses because his defense couldn't stop your grandmother and her friends if they played a game against them, all while having to contend with constant pressure, because his O-Line couldn't block your grandmother and her friends either.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Name me one QB that can overcome shit every game.

I'm talking about a guy that is trying to keep up with opposing offenses because his defense couldn't stop your grandmother and her friends if they played a game against them, all while having to contend with constant pressure, because his O-Line couldn't block your grandmother and her friends either.

And again, the reason you call it a risk is you have to ASSUME he is a clutch qb even though we haven't seem enough physical evidence. We have to assume he can handle tough defenses even though hes played mostly Mickey mouse defenses. Or that he can bounce back after getting battered around. We have to assume he will excel at blitz pickups, hot reads, and can win even in games where the defense dominates the o line.

I like the guys ability to overcome these things. But they are risks. Risks I didn't worry about last year with rgIII.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And again, the reason you call it a risk is you have to ASSUME he is a clutch qb even though we haven't seem enough physical evidence. We have to assume he can handle tough defenses even though hes played mostly Mickey mouse defenses. Or that he can bounce back after getting battered around. We have to assume he will excel at blitz pickups, hot reads, and can win even in games where the defense dominates the o line.

I like the guys ability to overcome these things. But they are risks. Risks I didn't worry about last year with rgIII.

That is just a stupid ****ing argument.

You are just making shit up to support a stupid ****ing argument with no merit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

That is just a stupid ****ing argument.

You are just making shit up to support a stupid ****ing argument with no merit.

He hasn't played good defenses. He hasnt proven to be nails in the clutch consistently. His biggest successes have come out of a college oriented offense.

I didn't say he can't do these things. I am saying you are assuming he can even though we haven't seen it.

I'm the one arguing on merit. You're the one who is absolutely sure about something we haven't seen.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.



Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.

I said that was his floor. I said his realistic floor was that he would be a qb who used his legs to extend passing plays. I also said rgIII had tremendous upside to be a great pocket qb.

Don't talk shit if you aren't going to exaggerate.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I said that was his floor. I said his realistic floor was that he would be a qb who used his legs to extend passing plays. I also said rgIII had tremendous upside to be a great pocket qb.

Don't talk shit if you aren't going to exaggerate.

What the **** are you talking about?

If his floor is that he's an elite running QB, and that is all he accomplishes, then it doesn't ****ing matter.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

What the **** are you talking about?

If his floor is that he's an elite running QB, and that is all he accomplishes, then it doesn't ****ing matter.

You're being petty if you're going to get hung up about what I believe a qb is going to be in a worst case scenario, and ignore what I said was the realistic scenario.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're being petty if you're going to get hung up about what I believe a qb is going to be in a worst case scenario, and ignore what I said was the realistic scenario.

No I am not, you dumbshit.

I am just doing exactly the same thing you are doing when you talk about the risks with Smith.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

No I am not, you dumbshit.

I am just doing exactly the same thing you are doing when you talk about the risks with Smith.

I've said multiple times over the last year....
Big Ben never had to learn to read defenses. He is a pass first qb who can hold on to the ball too long. RgIII doesn't have to be elite at reading defenses either. He can use his speed to roll out of the pocket and him being an elite qb throwing on the run, he can extend plays in ways most qbs can't.

If geno can't read defenses on a top tier level, he is a flat out bust. Period.