Post in here if you thought the Chiefs had a good off season

[Titty Meat]

A lot of people defended that pile of shit off season calling guys like Vance Walker "a good signing". Here's your chance now that the season is over and the team has been exposed to eat your crow. I'm looking at you Marcellus.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You are one dumb sumbitch if you really think that CB wasn't improved with Gaines compared to Flowers last year.

Go watch the Denver games at Arrowhead the last 2 years and focus on Flowers and Gaines if you think I'm lying.

We are playing a soft off-coverage now.

last year we played B&R at the LOS and got burnt deep all the time

now our CB's are 5/10 off

apples and oranges

Gaines is not better than Flowers right now. Flowers was aging and the move was fine. But we are not better.

oh and GFY

[Hootie]

I figured 8-8 this year would've been promising but no, not after 7-3. Terrible. Less satisfying year than the one where it took us 9+ games to play with a lead

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

They aren't terrible. They're an average to better than average team, just like last year.

Well, the question being asked is if they are better. With a healthy cast, this team is much better than last year. They went from a team that backed into the playoffs through a lot of good fortune to a team that at full health might actually be better than what I think is a pretty weak group of wild card contenders.

But again, the question is... Even with injuries, what's holding them back? Is it truly OL and receivers? Or is it Reid and Smith? I'd argue the latter and it's not even close.

And that's only asking if we got better. The op asked if the offseason went well. We are a better team and we shed payroll, cleaned our cap, and we will probably get 4 comp picks. So again... I think the offseason went fine. Of course it could've been better. But I still think the biggest problems are qb and head coach, not OL and receiver. So the question is how much better those guys would have actually made us and is that worth hurting our chances to resign Poe, Houston, berry, etc... To do it?

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Look at our ILBs. Our LB corp is worse than last year.

Well, you can't ignore the loss of DJ. I also believe Mays can be an upgrade over Jordan, who was just as invisible as JMJ and Mauga are.

[chiefzilla1501]

Something else to consider....
In 2 years, we surrounded Alex Smith with a dramatically improved defense. We have a strong, deep running game including a quality backup and a stud fullback. DAT kind of falls into this area too -- upgrade over McCluster. Smith throws to his TEs, so we brought in 2 TEs in Kelce and Fasano, and let's not forget we saw success with Harris in 3 TE sets until he got injured.

If you told me that Smith is your QB and your plan was to beef up the defense, running game, and TEs... I'd say that's about right and we've given Smith more than enough to work with. Which begs the question... how much better do we actually think Smith would have gotten if we improved at OL and WR? And would that have been worth our defense staying flat and hurting ability to re-sign Houston, Poe, Berry?

[Titty Meat]

DAT is nothing more than a dumbass returner/sweep RB. He doesn't really fit this offense.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well, the question being asked is if they are better. With a healthy cast, this team is much better than last year. They went from a team that backed into the playoffs through a lot of good fortune to a team that at full health might actually be better than what I think is a pretty weak group of wild card contenders.

But again, the question is... Even with injuries, what's holding them back? Is it truly OL and receivers? Or is it Reid and Smith? I'd argue the latter and it's not even close.

And that's only asking if we got better. The op asked if the offseason went well. We are a better team and we shed payroll, cleaned our cap, and we will probably get 4 comp picks. So again... I think the offseason went fine. Of course it could've been better. But I still think the biggest problems are qb and head coach, not OL and receiver. So the question is how much better those guys would have actually made us and is that worth hurting our chances to resign Poe, Houston, berry, etc... To do it?

They aren't better. It's the same team, zilla. The defense still is inconsistent, good one week, getting their shit pushed in the next. DAT is a huge disappointment, failing to even fill Dex's tiny shoes. We're going in circles here. There was no significant improvement, management failed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

They aren't better. It's the same team, zilla. The defense still is inconsistent, good one week, getting their shit pushed in the next. DAT is a huge disappointment, failing to even fill Dex's tiny shoes. We're going in circles here. There was no significant improvement, management failed.

What do you mean getting their shit pushed in every other week? The Chiefs have only given up 20+ points on defense 5 times, 2 of those times against Denver. They didn't start to get their shit pushed in until 3 weeks ago. And that's not considering that last season we played with Berry, DJ, and Devito. Those three guys are injured this season. We've lost 6 games and in 4 of those games, we had a chance to win/tie on the last offensive drive and failed.

This place is hilarious. Everyone predicted that this team last year was beating a bunch of shitty teams with shitty backup QBs, and that we'd be a sub .500 team if we played a real schedule. This year, we've played a brutal schedule and will probably end up the season .500 or above, despite MASSIVE injuries, and we're going to claim this team is not improved.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What do you mean getting their shit pushed in every other week? The Chiefs have only given up 20+ points on defense 5 times, 2 of those times against Denver. They didn't start to get their shit pushed in until 3 weeks ago. And that's not considering that last season we played with Berry, DJ, and Devito. Those three guys are injured this season. We've lost 6 games and in 4 of those games, we had a chance to win/tie on the last offensive drive and failed.

This place is hilarious. Everyone predicted that this team last year was beating a bunch of shitty teams with shitty backup QBs, and that we'd be a sub .500 team if we played a real schedule. This year, we've played a brutal schedule and will probably end up the season .500 or above, despite MASSIVE injuries, and we're going to claim this team is not improved.

What everybody predicted is irrelevant to this discussion. I understand why you want to continue to deflect from the point of the thread. I wasn't even here to make a prediction.

This defense was absolutely gored by oakland and denver's running attacks. Leveon Bell has them circled on his calendar. Quit making excuses for them. They're getting outmanned on a regular basis at this point, and the pass rush isn't producing like it should either. I know you'll stick to a losing argument until the bitter end, so I'll just let you be now.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What do you mean getting their shit pushed in every other week? The Chiefs have only given up 20+ points on defense 5 times, 2 of those times against Denver. They didn't start to get their shit pushed in until 3 weeks ago. And that's not considering that last season we played with Berry, DJ, and Devito. Those three guys are injured this season. We've lost 6 games and in 4 of those games, we had a chance to win/tie on the last offensive drive and failed.

This place is hilarious. Everyone predicted that this team last year was beating a bunch of shitty teams with shitty backup QBs, and that we'd be a sub .500 team if we played a real schedule. This year, we've played a brutal schedule and will probably end up the season .500 or above, despite MASSIVE injuries, and we're going to claim this team is not improved.

They are nearly last in the league in rushing ypc.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

What everybody predicted is irrelevant to this discussion. I understand why you want to continue to deflect from the point of the thread. I wasn't even here to make a prediction.

This defense was absolutely gored by oakland and denver's running attacks. Leveon Bell has them circled on his calendar. Quit making excuses for them. They're getting outmanned on a regular basis at this point, and the pass rush isn't producing like it should either. I know you'll stick to a losing argument until the bitter end, so I'll just let you be now.

CP said last year that the 2013 team was barely beating shitty teams playing shitty backup QBs. According to CP, if we took the 2013 team and played against the 2014 schedule, the Chiefs would get annihilated. The 2014 team is 7-6 with 4 of those losses coming on the final drive. Either CP was DEAD WRONG last season when it ended or this team improved.

The key point to the OP is if we improved. That should mean "how much better is our HEALTHY roster in 2014 over a HEALTHY roster in 2013." So take our 7-6 team and add these guys in.
-Allen > McGlynn
-DJ > Mauga
-Berry > Parker
All three of the above... Not even by a little. A LOT.
-Avery > Jenkins > Hammond
Constant injuries to Owens, Gaines, Fleming. Devito, Catapano, and Demetrius Harris could have provided quality depth (the Chiefs were having a lot of success with 3 TE sets before Harris went down to injury)

We are a better team this year with a bruised up roster. We are probably a much better team when fully healthy. And that's not even talking about how we shed unbelievable amount of payroll and stockpiled comp picks.

[milkman]

If Kool Aid was an alcoholic beverage, zilla would be the drunkest mother on the planet.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

If Kool Aid was an alcoholic beverage, zilla would be the drunkest mother on the planet.

Yeah, that ****ing explains it.

That's why I've said that we have a QB who will take us nowhere no matter what talent you surround him with, and a coach who can't take us to the Super Bowl because he makes too many stupid mistakes. Over and over again. Before the season even started.

[chiefzilla1501]

By the way, here are a few facts:
2013
Chiefs had 26th ranked strength of schedule
8 out of 11 wins against QBs who aren't even starters in 2014 [9 if you count Fitzpatrick, who is garbage]
Major injuries: Houston/Hali (few games), Albert (few games), Kelce (season), Fasano (few games)

2014
Chiefs have #2 ranked strength of schedule
5 of 7 wins against a legit starting QB
Major injuries: DJ (season), Allen (season), Berry (most of season), Devito (season), Charles (few games), Gaines/Fleming/Owners (couple games), Avery (most of season), Jenkins (most of season), Harris (most of season)


The easy question to ask is, would you rather have last year's team or this year's team at full health. That's not even a question. This year's team is a lot better. It's not close to good enough, but the question is "did the Chiefs improve?" Damn right they did.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

By the way, here are a few facts:
2013
Chiefs had 26th ranked strength of schedule
8 out of 11 wins against QBs who aren't even starters in 2014 [9 if you count Fitzpatrick, who is garbage]
Major injuries: Houston/Hali (few games), Albert (few games), Kelce (season), Fasano (few games)

2014
Chiefs have #2 ranked strength of schedule
5 of 7 wins against a legit starting QB
Major injuries: DJ (season), Allen (season), Berry (most of season), Devito (season), Charles (few games), Gaines/Fleming/Owners (couple games), Avery (most of season), Jenkins (most of season), Harris (most of season)


The easy question to ask is, would you rather have last year's team or this year's team at full health. That's not even a question. This year's team is a lot better. It's not close to good enough, but the question is "did the Chiefs improve?" Damn right they did.

No playoffs

don't care

looking forward to shitty passing game excuses next year