Hypothetical: Chip Kelly LOVES Geno Smith

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You recall incorrectly.

He never explicitly stated anything remotely like that.

He stated that Dorsey and Reid hadn't told him that there was a QB worth the #1 pick in the draft. When asked if he thought they could tell him that later he said he didn't THINK that would happen.

That was in a radio interview MINUTES after Dorsey was hired, so the comment isn't worth a hill of beans.

Here is my transcription of what was said:

KEVIN KEITZMAN : Are you hoping, uh, privately, and publicly now, say it, that John and his staff come to you - report to you in six weeks, eight weeks, and say "You know what? We didn't think that there was a great quarterback in this draft, but there is."

CLARK HUNT: Heh.

KK: And we know who it is.

HUNT: heh

KK: Are you privately rooting for that?

HUNT: Well...I know that they've gotta find a solution at quarterback. And they're gonna start with the guys on the roster, uh, free will be an option and the draft will be an option. And i wouldn't be surprised to see us do some mix of all three, because andy's gonna want to take a number of guys and evaluate them. I'm not expecting that to happen... but you never know. Also there's a possibility that we could trade that first pick. That...that's something that'll be in play when we get to the draft.

KK: But ideally you'd love to get a report like that, wouldn't you? That "Oh, my... Now that we're digging, there's a guy, and he's CLEARLY worth the number one pick, and he is the man, and he's gonna be a franchise player. That would be the BEST thing you could ever hear, wouldn't it?

HUNT: Uh...(laughing) well...wouldn't mind....wouldn't mind hearing that, but I know I'm not gonna hear it.

KK: You KNOW these quarterbacks aren't that good?

HUNT: Well, I don't know that, but-

KK: THEY know that.

HUNT: Um-

KK: (pressing) They TELL you that?

HUNT: They haven't done enough work were they can definiliv... definitively tell me that. That work will take place in the next month and we'll have those discussions. We better leave it at that.

KK: The popular sentiment out there that there is not a great quarterback here - you're of the belief right now that's probably true.

HUNT: I...I think so, yeah.

KK: That's the worst thing I've heard all day.

[Rain Man]

I don't care who the Chiefs pick as long as it's the best quarterback in the draft.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I don't care who the Chiefs pick as long as it's the best quarterback in the draft.

I think that is really the problem: there hasn't been a QB who is really head and shoulders above the other QBs in this draft class. I think they are bunched up close enough that the quality of coaching is what will ultimately decide the best QB in this particular draft.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I think that is really the problem: there hasn't been a QB who is really head and shoulders above the other QBs in this draft class. I think they are bunched up close enough that the quality of coaching is what will ultimately decide the best QB in this particular draft.

That's just not true.

In the eyes of the media and fans, there isn't a QB who is head and shoulders above the others.

I guarantee you that by the 1st of April, it will become clear to the media and fans that they were wrong...

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's just not true.

In the eyes of the media and fans, there isn't a QB who is head and shoulders above the others.

I guarantee you that by the 1st of April, it will become clear to the media and fans that they were wrong...

Based on what?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Based on what?

The previous 15 years?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Based on what?

NFL history.

[RealSNR]

No. This is the perfect kind of situation where the Chiefs get burned. Happens to us all the time.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by SNR

No. This is the perfect kind of situation where the Chiefs get burned. Happens to us all the time.

You might not be wrong to turn down the trade, but you absolutely have to have a more rational explanation than this.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You might not be wrong to turn down the trade, but you absolutely have to have a more rational explanation than this.

Okay. How's this for rational?

It's settling. I don't care how small the distance between the QBs is that Andy Reid perceives. Andy Reid needs to take his preferred QB. The QB he wants the most in this entire draft. If that's Wilson, he needs to take Wilson. If that's Barkley, he needs to take Barkley.

There was a pretty small difference between Andrew Luck and RGIII. Luck was a smidge higher on most boards. Let's say the Colts viewed the QB race last year that way, but the Rams (before they traded away the pick) REALLY wanted Luck, and were going to cut Bradford loose either by trade or something else. Should the Colts have accepted a trade down of one spot if they got that kind of deal from St. Louis?

Notice that I'm completely ignoring the issue of value and getting bang for one's draft buck. This is all about the bullshit of accepting 2nd best at the most important position for something like DRAFT PICKS. Every team gets 7 draft picks every year. A team is NEVER going to run out of draft picks. Guess what you can run out of though? Good QBs.

It's the exact same issue as the people who now say, "I'd trade entire DRAFTS if we could have a sure-fire franchise QB in KC for 10 years". Here we've been given our pick of the best QB in an entire draft. He has the potential to be that 10 year franchise QB. And what do we do? Pass on him for an extra CB and DL? Neither of which are guaranteed to be good players.

Never accept 2nd best when it comes to QBs for ****ing draft picks. NEVER EVER.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. How's this for rational?

It's settling. I don't care how small the distance between the QBs is that Andy Reid perceives. Andy Reid needs to take his preferred QB. The QB he wants the most in this entire draft. If that's Wilson, he needs to take Wilson. If that's Barkley, he needs to take Barkley.

There was a pretty small difference between Andrew Luck and RGIII. Luck was a smidge higher on most boards. Let's say the Colts viewed the QB race last year that way, but the Rams (before they traded away the pick) REALLY wanted Luck, and were going to cut Bradford loose either by trade or something else. Should the Colts have accepted a trade down of one spot if they got that kind of deal from St. Louis?

Notice that I'm completely ignoring the issue of value and getting bang for one's draft buck. This is all about the bullshit of accepting 2nd best at the most important position for something like DRAFT PICKS. Every team gets 7 draft picks every year. A team is NEVER going to run out of draft picks. Guess what you can run out of though? Good QBs.

It's the exact same issue as the people who now say, "I'd trade entire DRAFTS if we could have a sure-fire franchise QB in KC for 10 years". Here we've been given our pick of the best QB in an entire draft. He has the potential to be that 10 year franchise QB. And what do we do? Pass on him for an extra CB and DL? Neither of which are guaranteed to be good players.

Never accept 2nd best when it comes to QBs for ****ing draft picks. NEVER EVER.

yes, but in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, the chiefs do not believe (however erroneously) that Geno was the #1 guy.

I have tried to repeat that in most of my responses to avoid the all-out "Geno or Player X" argument.

For the ****ing record:

I want Geno Smith.

Geno Smith is the most impactful player in this draft.
Geno Smith is the #1 QB in this draft.
Geno Smith can stay with my mom while he looks for a house in Kansas City.
Geno Smith 4 eva.

Now, can we get back to this wonderful, time-wasting, why-the-****-isn't-it-five o'clock-yet hypothetical where the Chiefs get a franchise QB and five top 35 picks over the next two drafts?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

yes, but in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, the chiefs do not believe (however erroneously) that Geno was the #1 guy.

I have tried to repeat that in most of my responses to avoid the all-out "Geno or Player X" argument.

For the ****ing record:

I want Geno Smith.

Geno Smith is the most impactful player in this draft.
Geno Smith is the #1 QB in this draft.
Geno Smith can stay with my mom while he looks for a house in Kansas City.
Geno Smith 4 eva.

Now, can we get back to this wonderful, time-wasting, why-the-****-isn't-it-five o'clock-yet hypothetical where the Chiefs get a franchise QB and five top 35 picks over the next two drafts?

I don't think people get this. I, too, am a Geno fan. Early adopter/bandwagoner.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

yes, but in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, the chiefs do not believe (however erroneously) that Geno was the #1 guy.

I already addressed this in my answer:

Andy Reid needs to take his preferred QB. The QB he wants the most in this entire draft. If that's Wilson, he needs to take Wilson. If that's Barkley, he needs to take Barkley.

[Frosty]

It depends on free agency. If the Jags get Alex Smith or Flynn (Bradley would be familiar with both) AND they had Smith, Barkley and Wilson all pretty evenly rated AND they could get Foles in the deal with the Eagles, I think they would have to strongly consider it.

[Nirvana58]

Hypothetical: Easy answer. You do what the chargers did with Eli and Rivers. You take Geno at number 1. Have the Eagles take Wilson at four and then finalize the trade.