Misc Conceal Carry weapon choices

Holladay · 01-03-2017, 06:50 PM

Probably a re-post, didn't see it after a quick search.

I am buy no means a gun expert but know my way around them (ex-military)

My wife is seriously looking to CC. That thought alone shocked me. She is quite against guns. She is German and with all the issues Germany has now and stuff here in the states, wants to pursue this privilege. I will as well.

Another thought is what is the best way to figure out which states allow. I have surfed the web and it is a bit confusing. She will be house sitting in SC for a month. Thus a long trip by herself through many states. As I understand, KY will prove the hardest state.

I have taken her out in our back 40 to practice. I have a 9mm CZ 75 that I bought while stationed in Germany. It is similar to the Beretta 9mm. She is a natural. The practice and repetition is the key as we all know. It is to big for CC. She will be carrying in her purse..eer er "hand bag" ( I got corrected from a female fashionista).

We are on a budget and not into an elite weapon. Something that goes bang and scares the would be bad guy. I was hoping for less then $400.

We have tried a few different types. Revolver vs Semi. Revolver is simpler but limited ammo. Semi is harder to operate but has more "bangs".

My parents have a Makarov 9x18. I thought it was junk, but find out it is quite decent. It is a Walther PPK variant. Cheap ~$300. I read a review about women and hand guns. The author stated that a point is the strength/size of women's hands. Thus semi is not a good option unless she is a masseuse. I giggled, because she is. Her hands are as big as mine which are medium/large guys paws. She has had a little problem pulling the slide back and on another old (S&W Defender) revolver the trigger squeeze.

I will use the Defender, not necessarily CC, in my car. If I can find ammo for it. That is another problem. The CZ stays at home.

Thoughts?

**SportsVideoGuy** · 01-03-2017, 06:54 PM

A simple .22 is fine or a 9mm. I'm not the most versed in handguns, simply because I was raised on rifles and loved my M4 in service.

Take her to a range. Try the 5 or 6 guns you believe would suit her and in your price range... you know her best, after all. You can EASILY find a quality arm for less than $400 that's CC.

nychief · 01-03-2017, 06:55 PM

Tim Gunn.

Hoover · 01-03-2017, 06:57 PM

M&P 9mm Shield
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-0

Sig P320 9mm
https://www.sigsauer.com/products/fi.../pistols/p320/

**jjchieffan** · 01-03-2017, 06:58 PM

CC permit is no longer required in MO since Jan 1. I may start carrying my Glock 9mm.

frozenchief · 01-03-2017, 07:12 PM

It is a little more than you want to spend, but I would get a Glock 27. It is a small Glock in .40, so you have a good caliber with lots of ammo choices. It is small enough to carry but it sounds like your wife could handle the extra recoil of the .40. New they start about $495, but I bet you could find a used one for less.

If you want more info, check out:

http://www.tophandgunreviews.com/Glock_27.html

**Dunit35** · 01-03-2017, 07:16 PM

2nd on the M&P Shield 9mm. I carry it off duty and love it. I use a IWB holster made by CYA supply, a veteran owned company, made in US. Got it off Amazon for $40. Don't even notice when I'm carrying.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-03-2017, 07:21 PM

Guns are gonna be cheap now . No moar Obama . Buy all the firearms you can.

BigOlChiefsfan · 01-03-2017, 07:22 PM

That makarov is a good choice for your stated needs/price - and we may be importing them again soon. Not that the price will drop much, but they'll be easier to buy. Anyone who owns one now doesn't really want to part with it (we still import some surplus guns, but Russian ones became verboten thanks to Dear Leader)
I'm fond of the Glock 19, used models will be in your price range. Police trade ins come and go, but if you've got your mind made up and your money hidden away they're easy to grab now and then. Here's a gun dealer over in Grain Valley who handles a lot of police trade ins as well as new guns - he'll send your 'new to you' gun to a local yokel dealer as part of the sale. A good place to check real world prices. http://summitgunbroker.com/glocks.html

**notorious** · 01-03-2017, 07:37 PM

You have to be patient to find one to fit your budget, but the Sig P238 is very nice. Perfect for small hands and the slide is very easy to rack.

Stay away from Ruger LC9. Your wife will hate it's heavy slide, muzzle hop, and recoil. I ****ing hate that gun. Have one with built-in laser in my safe I should throw into the trash.

dmahurin · 01-03-2017, 07:46 PM

Get her a 9mm. Do not get a .40 or .45. Get critical defense ammo and a 9mm will expand to the same size and penetration depth of a .45. The m&p shield or a slringfield xd are great guns. MO and KS do not require a permit or license to concealed carry. The laws on where you can and cant carry are important to know.

dmahurin · 01-03-2017, 07:49 PM

The FBI and a ton of police departments are going back to the 9mm. Cant say enough positive things about the 9mm.

**Munson** · 01-03-2017, 07:52 PM

For the wife, I'd stick with 9mm in a semi-auto, or .38 Special in a revolver.

Semi-auto:
Glock 43
S&W Shield
Springfield XDS
Sig P938

Revolver:
S&W 442 or 642
Ruger LCR

kcxiv · 01-03-2017, 07:58 PM

NOne, ill never purchase a gun. Ill shoot someone elses though if i wanna go shooting! Dont feel the need to have one. they do nothing for me. Though, i been wanting to get a pellet gun to shoot in the backyard with my nephew.

Hog Rider · 01-03-2017, 08:10 PM

I am a Walther guy, but for your price range the Shield is more in line than the Walther PPS M2.

To be covered for CC she should look into getting both Utah and Florida Concealed Weapon Permits. They cover nearly every state, and I would think would be available from some trainers in Kansas. I had both mine before Illinois finally acquired CC rights. Florida requires prints, Utah does not, But they are easily gotten by out-of-staters after the required training is met.

Helpful Links;
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://www.saf.org/
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
http://americanhandgunner.com/category/the-ayoob-files/

top notch training or educational material from nationally recognized folks:
http://www.icetraining.us/index.html
http://massadayoobgroup.com/
https://www.gunsite.com/
http://www.grantcunningham.com/

~ and there are many more.

Good Luck,

JP

01-03-2017, 06:50 PM
Holladay Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2549480	Conceal Carry weapon choices Probably a re-post, didn't see it after a quick search. I am buy no means a gun expert but know my way around them (ex-military) My wife is seriously looking to CC. That thought alone shocked me. She is quite against guns. She is German and with all the issues Germany has now and stuff here in the states, wants to pursue this privilege. I will as well. Another thought is what is the best way to figure out which states allow. I have surfed the web and it is a bit confusing. She will be house sitting in SC for a month. Thus a long trip by herself through many states. As I understand, KY will prove the hardest state. I have taken her out in our back 40 to practice. I have a 9mm CZ 75 that I bought while stationed in Germany. It is similar to the Beretta 9mm. She is a natural. The practice and repetition is the key as we all know. It is to big for CC. She will be carrying in her purse..eer er "hand bag" ( I got corrected from a female fashionista). We are on a budget and not into an elite weapon. Something that goes bang and scares the would be bad guy. I was hoping for less then $400. We have tried a few different types. Revolver vs Semi. Revolver is simpler but limited ammo. Semi is harder to operate but has more "bangs". My parents have a Makarov 9x18. I thought it was junk, but find out it is quite decent. It is a Walther PPK variant. Cheap ~$300. I read a review about women and hand guns. The author stated that a point is the strength/size of women's hands. Thus semi is not a good option unless she is a masseuse. I giggled, because she is. Her hands are as big as mine which are medium/large guys paws. She has had a little problem pulling the slide back and on another old (S&W Defender) revolver the trigger squeeze. I will use the Defender, not necessarily CC, in my car. If I can find ammo for it. That is another problem. The CZ stays at home. Thoughts?
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01-03-2017, 06:54 PM	#2
SportsVideoGuy Supporter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Casino cash: $10004900	A simple .22 is fine or a 9mm. I'm not the most versed in handguns, simply because I was raised on rifles and loved my M4 in service. Take her to a range. Try the 5 or 6 guns you believe would suit her and in your price range... you know her best, after all. You can EASILY find a quality arm for less than $400 that's CC.
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01-03-2017, 06:55 PM	#3
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01-03-2017, 06:57 PM	#4
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1588179	M&P 9mm Shield https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-0 Sig P320 9mm https://www.sigsauer.com/products/fi.../pistols/p320/
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01-03-2017, 07:12 PM	#6
frozenchief Veteran Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Alaska Casino cash: $1551379	It is a little more than you want to spend, but I would get a Glock 27. It is a small Glock in .40, so you have a good caliber with lots of ammo choices. It is small enough to carry but it sounds like your wife could handle the extra recoil of the .40. New they start about $495, but I bet you could find a used one for less. If you want more info, check out: http://www.tophandgunreviews.com/Glock_27.html
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01-03-2017, 07:16 PM	#7
Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1467045	2nd on the M&P Shield 9mm. I carry it off duty and love it. I use a IWB holster made by CYA supply, a veteran owned company, made in US. Got it off Amazon for $40. Don't even notice when I'm carrying.
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01-03-2017, 07:21 PM	#8
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01-03-2017, 07:22 PM	#9
BigOlChiefsfan Certified Bourbon taster Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Shawnee KS Casino cash: $7210157	That makarov is a good choice for your stated needs/price - and we may be importing them again soon. Not that the price will drop much, but they'll be easier to buy. Anyone who owns one now doesn't really want to part with it (we still import some surplus guns, but Russian ones became verboten thanks to Dear Leader) I'm fond of the Glock 19, used models will be in your price range. Police trade ins come and go, but if you've got your mind made up and your money hidden away they're easy to grab now and then. Here's a gun dealer over in Grain Valley who handles a lot of police trade ins as well as new guns - he'll send your 'new to you' gun to a local yokel dealer as part of the sale. A good place to check real world prices. http://summitgunbroker.com/glocks.html __________________ A man can never own too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -- R. Kipling
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01-03-2017, 07:37 PM	#10
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $2855884	You have to be patient to find one to fit your budget, but the Sig P238 is very nice. Perfect for small hands and the slide is very easy to rack. Stay away from Ruger LC9. Your wife will hate it's heavy slide, muzzle hop, and recoil. I ****ing hate that gun. Have one with built-in laser in my safe I should throw into the trash.
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01-03-2017, 07:52 PM	#13
Munson Roy E. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Olathe, KS Casino cash: $11889646	For the wife, I'd stick with 9mm in a semi-auto, or .38 Special in a revolver. Semi-auto: Glock 43 S&W Shield Springfield XDS Sig P938 Revolver: S&W 442 or 642 Ruger LCR
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01-03-2017, 07:58 PM	#14
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8807996	NOne, ill never purchase a gun. Ill shoot someone elses though if i wanna go shooting! Dont feel the need to have one. they do nothing for me. Though, i been wanting to get a pellet gun to shoot in the backyard with my nephew.
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01-03-2017, 08:10 PM	#15
Hog Rider Former Illinoisian Join Date: May 2001 Location: South-Middle Tennessee Casino cash: $4695610	I am a Walther guy, but for your price range the Shield is more in line than the Walther PPS M2. To be covered for CC she should look into getting both Utah and Florida Concealed Weapon Permits. They cover nearly every state, and I would think would be available from some trainers in Kansas. I had both mine before Illinois finally acquired CC rights. Florida requires prints, Utah does not, But they are easily gotten by out-of-staters after the required training is met. Helpful Links; https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/ https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ https://www.saf.org/ https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/ http://www.handgunlaw.us/ http://americanhandgunner.com/category/the-ayoob-files/ top notch training or educational material from nationally recognized folks: http://www.icetraining.us/index.html http://massadayoobgroup.com/ https://www.gunsite.com/ http://www.grantcunningham.com/ ~ and there are many more. Good Luck, JP Last edited by Hog Rider; 01-03-2017 at 08:19 PM..
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