Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder

[seclark]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

I think he pretty much came right out and said he did, and seemed proud of it.

yep...old bastard's crazy, which i honestly think is the best thing he's got going for him right now.
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[unlurking]

Originally Posted by notorious

If they can prove he shot them execution-style, he is done.


This is similar to a story I heard in CCL class from a Wichita Detective. A store owner had been robbed many times, and he finally armed himself. The next time a robbery was attempted, he shot the perp.

He was still in the right until he walked around his counter and fired a shot into the scumbag's head. The store owner is now serving time for murder.

The kicker: His own store video showed the whole thing.

These people need to spend more time at the range and learn to double tap!

To society in general, there is a very real difference between killing someone in self defense, and leaning over a defenseless asshole and shooting him point blank in the head.

[Old Dog]

Now fry him and all three are out of the gene pool......win, win, win

[Garcia Bronco]

If you break into my home, I'll shoot you with a .45. You'll be dead, cause you are not coming back to my home. The only thing you need do to avoid this is to stay the **** outta my house uninvited.

[WhiteWhale]

Killing a defenseless person is murder.

He's a murderer and should be punished accordingly.

[WV]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Killing a defenseless person is murder.

He's a murderer and should be punished accordingly.

What if he had killed them with only one shot? So you don't agree with protecting yourself from a burglar?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by WV

What if he had killed them with only one shot? So you don't agree with protecting yourself from a burglar?

That's different. If he had killed them in self defense, no problem. He didn't, though. This was an execution. His safety was not in danger when he put the gun to her head; at least it wasn't based on what I've read here.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by WV

What if he had killed them with only one shot? So you don't agree with protecting yourself from a burglar?

Shooting an invader who poses a possible threat is not the same as shooting a defenseless person.

You need to accept it especially if you own a gun. If you shoot a defenseless person, you will be charged with murder. You can't 'defend' yourself from a defenseless person.

You tie them up and call police. They were wounded kids. He knew what he did.

If a guy starts a fight with me, I win, and then at the end I jump on his back and break his neck... that's murder. People don't seem to understand how self defense works... it's not just an excuse. You have to be defending yourself.

[WV]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

That's different. If he had killed them in self defense, no problem. He didn't, though. This was an execution. His safety was not in danger when he put the gun to her head; at least it wasn't based on what I've read here.

You answered my first question though. I agree his execution style killing was over the top, but had he happened to kill them with his first volley I would have been fine with that being that they broke into his house.

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Shooting an invader who poses a possible threat is not the same as shooting a defenseless person.

You need to accept it especially if you own a gun. If you shoot a defenseless person, you will be charged with murder. You can't 'defend' yourself from a defenseless person.

You tie them up and call police. They were wounded kids. He knew what he did.

If a guy starts a fight with me, I win, and then at the end I jump on his back and break his neck... that's murder. People don't seem to understand how self defense works... it's not just an excuse. You have to be defending yourself.

I think you are agreeing with me. If someone breaks into my house, they are getting a lead injection whether they are armed or not. I have no idea if they are or aren't in that moment, but again I agree he took it too far after he had them down.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by WV

I think you are agreeing with me. If someone breaks into my house, they are getting a lead injection whether they are armed or not. I have no idea if they are or aren't in that moment, but again I agree he took it too far after he had them down.

Yes, then we are agreed.

I'm not 'gun guy', but I'm in an area where owning a gun can save your life. I own one. I will shoot for the mass. If they die, that's their problem.

However if I shoot and do not kill, I'm not gonna walk up and say "Hasta la Vista baby!" before plugging them in the head. That's just ice cold murder.

Also, in my situation I'd prefer they live if the shots didn't kill them. They ended up being a couple of stupid kids. People do dipshit stuff like this, reform, and become quality members of society. I know a guy who did shit worse than breaking and entering (without getting caught) and now 14 years later he's a very decorated Army veteran.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by WV

You answered my first question though. I agree his execution style killing was over the top, but had he happened to kill them with his first volley I would have been fine with that being that they broke into his house.


I think you are agreeing with me. If someone breaks into my house, they are getting a lead injection whether they are armed or not. I have no idea if they are or aren't in that moment, but again I agree he took it too far after he had them down.

it sounds like one might murder someone, drag them into one's home, and claim self defense.

[Rausch]

They got what they deserved.

In time he will as well...

[tooge]

Two druggie thief teenagers are dead because they broke into a guys house who had a gun. That's it. End of story. They are dead. It doesn't matter if they would have died with the first shot or later, they are dead.

So the guy doesn't pump em full of lead, they recover, they sue his ass and everyone believes the cute little teenagers and he goes off to jail for people with no eyes. That not good either.

[Lzen]

Playing devil's advocate here. People suggested the kids would later sue. Well, how about if, after he shot them the kids were threatening to come back and kill him later on? Or perhaps they had been threatening him in the months prior? I'm not saying I could just shoot someone in cold blood while they are laying there bleeding and dying. But what if these wonderful kids had driven him over the edge?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Playing devil's advocate here. People suggested the kids would later sue. Well, how about if, after he shot them the kids were threatening to come back and kill him later on? Or perhaps they had been threatening him in the months prior? I'm not saying I could just shoot someone in cold blood while they are laying there bleeding and dying. But what if these wonderful kids had driven him over the edge?

OR we could look at the facts as they are.

Just throwing that out there...