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Old 12-11-2012, 11:44 AM   #1
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You can't kill somebody just because they kick your door in. You have to be in some sort of life or death situation.
false. you kick in my door, you are dead if you don't have a warrant. in missouri, i wouldn't serve a day in jail either.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:46 AM   #2
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false. you kick in my door, you are dead if you don't have a warrant. in missouri, i wouldn't serve a day in jail either.
Exactly! He said that as if someone kicking in your door isn't what a normal, rational person would consider a life or death situation. I'm pretty sure the courts would recognize that as such.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:28 PM   #3
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Exactly! He said that as if someone kicking in your door isn't what a normal, rational person would consider a life or death situation. I'm pretty sure the courts would recognize that as such.
Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 278, Section 8(a): In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

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If the criminal intruder is not threatening death or serious bodily injury, the occupant will not be covered by this law and could be charged with murder or manslaughter for using deadly force against said criminal. To be protected by this law an occupant that is prosecuted for using deadly force has the burden of producing a claim of self-defense. Once the occupant shows proof it will be upon the prosecution to prove otherwise.


so the way I understand that, the intruder would have to shoot first basically. If he actually kicked in the door and came in, I couldn't do shit until he charged me or shot at me.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:44 PM   #4
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Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 278, Section 8(a): In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

Please note:
If the criminal intruder is not threatening death or serious bodily injury, the occupant will not be covered by this law and could be charged with murder or manslaughter for using deadly force against said criminal. To be protected by this law an occupant that is prosecuted for using deadly force has the burden of producing a claim of self-defense. Once the occupant shows proof it will be upon the prosecution to prove otherwise.


so the way I understand that, the intruder would have to shoot first basically. If he actually kicked in the door and came in, I couldn't do shit until he charged me or shot at me.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:53 PM   #5
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Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 278, Section 8(a): In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

Please note:
If the criminal intruder is not threatening death or serious bodily injury, the occupant will not be covered by this law and could be charged with murder or manslaughter for using deadly force against said criminal. To be protected by this law an occupant that is prosecuted for using deadly force has the burden of producing a claim of self-defense. Once the occupant shows proof it will be upon the prosecution to prove otherwise.


so the way I understand that, the intruder would have to shoot first basically. If he actually kicked in the door and came in, I couldn't do shit until he charged me or shot at me.
What a ****ing horrible shit for brains law.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:16 PM   #6
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What a ****ing horrible shit for brains law.
Plant a kitchen knife in his dead ****ing hand = problem solved.

I guess they assume that some shitbag who breaks into your house just wants to watch TV and have a snack.
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