Chiefs Score one more for SOC...

htismaqe · 11-19-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The difference is that there are viable candidates to talk to right now, and this is what Clark should be doing. Target #1 should be--get ready with the pitchforks--Bill Cowher. Why? This franchise needs to be legitimized, and The Chin does this immediately.

Get Cowher in the wings. Work with him to find an appropriate match for GM and college scouting, and then focus in on trying to identify the franchise's next QB, which is the foundation.

In terms of PR, which is turning the situation in KC highly toxic, Pioli cannot be allowed to finish the season. He's made the situation completely untenable, and this might have more far-reaching effects than simply pissing off the fans.

Clark can talk to Cowher RIGHT NOW, without touching Pioli. Cowher isn't employed by another team.

So we're right back to the only reason being to appease the fans.

As much as the fans deserve to be appeased, there's no reason to be imprudent.

**DeezNutz** · 11-19-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Clark can talk to Cowher RIGHT NOW, without touching Pioli. Cowher isn't employed by another team.

So we're right back to the only reason being to appease the fans.

As much as the fans deserve to be appeased, there's no reason to be imprudent.

I honestly don't believe it would be imprudent. Not be a long shot. Clark simply cannot allow Pioli to continue to play mini-Hitler, while the Allied planes and ground troops carpet bomb Arrowhead with literal and metaphoric candy wrappers.

This situation is poised to go from toxic to explosive, and thus our beloved SMU dork has to get out in front of this thing.

From the other perspective, there is absolutely nothing gained by allowing Pioli to continue his fail campaign. He must go, and he must go now.

htismaqe · 11-19-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I honestly don't believe it would be imprudent. Not be a long shot. Clark simply cannot allow Pioli to continue to play mini-Hitler, while the Allied planes and ground troops carpet bomb Arrowhead with literal and metaphoric candy wrappers.

This situation is poised to go from toxic to explosive, and thus our beloved SMU dork has to get out in front of this thing.

From the other perspective, there is absolutely nothing gained by allowing Pioli to continue his fail campaign. He must go, and he must go now.

The rest of this season is going to be nothing but failure. You don't want to saddle your new GM with that stink.

The history of the NFL is littered with guys that failed because they inherited a bad situation.

The new guy needs to be able to make a clean break, in January.

Think with your head, not your heart.

**DeezNutz** · 11-19-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The rest of this season is going to be nothing but failure. You don't want to saddle your new GM with that stink.

The history of the NFL is littered with guys that failed because they inherited a bad situation.

The new guy needs to be able to make a clean break, in January.

Think with your head, not your heart.

I'm not asking to have a new GM in place now. Currently, there's zero leadership from Pioli, and thus ridding the organization of him will not negatively affect the team's performance or organizational operations.

There are only positives because firing Pioli would truly "change the culture" and return the team to the fans.

htismaqe · 11-19-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not asking to have a new GM in place now. Currently, there's zero leadership from Pioli, and thus ridding the organization of him will not negatively affect the team's performance or organizational operations.

There are only positives because firing Pioli would truly "change the culture" and return the team to the fans.

So you're suggesting that Hunt fire him and just leave the front office VACANT?

That doesn't make any sense.

EVERY person at 1 Arrowhead Drive is a Pioli lackey. EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

So the only way you TRULY get rid of him is to fire EVERYONE and get somebody from outside of the organization. And that person gets to start their stint as GM by losing 6 straight to end the season. That's borderline reeruned, I'm sorry.

This idea that you fire Pioli and "return the team to the fans" makes for a great Lifetime movie but it isn't grounded real firmly in reality.

**DeezNutz** · 11-19-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you're suggesting that Hunt fire him and just leave the front office VACANT?

That doesn't make any sense.

EVERY person at 1 Arrowhead Drive is a Pioli lackey. EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

So the only way you TRULY get rid of him is to fire EVERYONE and get somebody from outside of the organization. And that person gets to start their stint as GM by losing 6 straight to end the season. That's borderline reeruned, I'm sorry.

This idea that you fire Pioli and "return the team to the fans" makes for a great Lifetime movie but it isn't grounded real firmly in reality.

Over the next six weeks, what do you truly believe Pioli will do or can accomplish that is productive? As for who could step up in a temporary role, Ray Farmer.

O.city · 11-19-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Over the next six weeks, what do you truly believe Pioli will do or can accomplish that is productive? As for who could step up in a temporary role, Ray Farmer.

I dont think htis thinks he will do anything productive or even try at this point and as we witnessed last year, temporary roles can lead to bad things.

**Dartgod** · 11-19-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There are only positives because firing Pioli would truly "change the culture" and return the team to the fans.

What if it changes the culture of the team as well and win 4 or 5 of our remaining games and screw up our draft position?

**1ChiefsDan** · 11-19-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The rest of this season is going to be nothing but failure. You don't want to saddle your new GM with that stink.

The history of the NFL is littered with guys that failed because they inherited a bad situation.

The new guy needs to be able to make a clean break, in January.

Think with your head, not your heart.

If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.

There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?

O.city · 11-19-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.

There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?

Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.

htismaqe · 11-19-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.

Bingo.

**1ChiefsDan** · 11-19-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.

Read the post. Not saddling anyone with anything. Fire Pioli. START the search. PREPARE for change once the season is over. START rebuilding fan loyalty.

Who cares if everyone is Pioli's minions? Fire the asshole. Anyone who wants to walk is free to. We have 6 weeks. If the entire front office and scouting staff walk, who cares?

Hell, if the entire coaching staff walks, who cares? A bunch of shit throwing monkeys could coach as well as this staff.

None of them are going to because they want to get paid. We are in no worse position either way.

htismaqe · 11-19-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

START the search. PREPARE for change once the season is over. START rebuilding fan loyalty.

You can do ALL of those things without firing Pioli.

Honestly, I don't give a shit what they do.

I just completely understand the prudence of being cautious and calculated. There's alot of preparation that can be done without touching Pioli's contract.

htismaqe · 11-19-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.

You can talk to all of the candidates now. Firing (or keeping)
Pioli doesn't affect your ability to contact potential GMs at all.

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?

That sounds great in theory but has no basis in the real world.

**1ChiefsDan** · 11-19-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can talk to all of the candidates now. Firing (or keeping)
Pioli doesn't affect your ability to contact potential GMs at all.

That sounds great in theory but has no basis in the real world.

Holy shit you have your head so far up your ass it is amazing you can breathe and type.

A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.