It's time we ban pitbulls

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by COchief

Yeah dude, just thought you'd be interested in them as I was. No pissing match, because frankly I don't think it's possible. Thanks for saving me from a sea "pussy" in this thread. One question for you, if you like large breeds do you want a Bernie? I don't even really like large breeds but I have never met a Bernie that wasn't a gorgeous animal and extremely happy/friendly. Plus relatively little to no drool compared to the other big boys.

I'd not heard of them before...and yes I do find it very interesting! my first bully ended up in shows once the breeder got a look at him at 6 months and crapped her pants. I'd show up and she'd take him into the ring. I got so see lots of cool breeds that were new to me....including the wolfhound. never heard of the CMD before though. cool dog! I ain't pissing just funning.

I have a neighbor 2 doors down that has a bernese mountain dog and she's a sweetie. just beautiful. I'd take one in a heartbeat if a rescue opportunity or something presented itself....but my first choice is and always will be a bullmastiff. best dogs ever IMO. loving and protective, just awesome. mastiffs most certainly have a drool problem. with bullmastiffs it's hit and miss. Tank was huge...his head was just HUGE, so he had more of a problem than Dozer does...but in comparison to mastiffs it's not much. when they initially walk away from the water bowl it's not so good. we have towels in every room for a just in case....but bullmastiffs don't walk around slobbering everywhere like mastiffs do. matter of fact the Tom Hands movie Hooch kinda ticked me off. that was a french mastiff which is almost exactly the same as a bully. all the slobbering going on in the movie was complete BS...so anyone who doesn't know any better would NEVER have one.

on a side not....the movie See Spot Run starring David Arquette and Michael Clark Duncan has a special place in my heart because "Spot" is a bully, but aside from that....just a great funny movie.

[COchief]

Originally Posted by frankotank

stuff.

Glad to see you found your breed, I couldn't deal with the drool and massive dumps myself, but damn that Bernie is calling me...

Found this on a message board, thought you might find it interesting. CMD seem like the devil himself in dog form:

As an owner of an 80kg 12 month male Caucasian Ovcharka puppy, and previously another male, these dogs are well yes ... dangerous if not controlled properly. Lots of training, lots of love & lots of understanding of the breed. He is sitting here at my feet at the moment waging his tail ant,d looking up at me with the love of a Baby for its mother He plays football with my 2 yr old son, and he is so gentle. BUt he has also gone through a door trying to protect the property. I have bred many breeds and lived with even more .... almost all guardian breeds ..... but the CO is the most capable protector. Agile, vicious, heavy weight, long 2 inch Ks, bite force of up to 670 PSI, unfearing, almost unstoppable (hearing story after story in the CO community), clever fighters too (in and out like a boxer). I, being an owner, would NEVER enter a house with a free Ovcharka I did not know well, whether female or male. Their skin is extremely thick and supple, double coated long fur, and just enough excess skin ... ll of this acts like armor. To give an idea we were walking through the woods a few months ago and this 4 yr old pitbull rushed out of the trees and hit my OC on the shoulder hard then proceeded to try and rip the crap out of him. The pitbull had every intent on ripping the throat out. My 10 month old CO at the time just started waging his tail and jumping around playing. Really like they were old friends. The pitbull continued to rip at my dog with no effect .... in fact the PB was getting insanely angry I assume because his vicious advances were being met with playfulness. I let this carry on for 20-30 seconds until a young couple came crashing out of the woods screaming at their dog and trying to apologize at the same time until they stopped in their tracks. Seeing my CO's size (78cm at the shoulder) they stood there looking confused and a little scared. I told them not to worry he thinks your pitbull is playing. I don't know any dog that can match a good fully grown male CO. They are very definition of the white shark of the dog world, used to taking on bears & killing the largest grey wolves fearlessly. They are what burglars dream about in their nightmares. We bite checked him today with a chap who breeds and trains the Belgium Shepherds for the US border patrols. When he saw my CO he was a little scared (note he is only 12 months old). Bite training went brilliantly for the first 2 minutes, until Mike (the trainer) hit me with the prop whip and my CO caught him by the elbow (one the sleeve thank god) dragged him down and then snapped at his face. Luckily two of us were holding him or Mike would not have made another good night sleep or kept a girlfriend.
There is a very old legend that says when the gods left Tibet the monks begged them to stay for who would protect them in their absence? The gods did not reply but the monks awoke the next morning with seven ovcharkas sleeping at the foot of the steps of the monastery, 3 males and 4 females, to replace the last seven gods that left the earth. It was said that the gods had mixed the strongest bears and the smartest wolves together to make the new protectors. Obviously untrue but legends are born around those that deserve it in some cases
This is not a dog ... it is something more ... something intelligent and caring but totally willing to lay down its life to protect my wife and son. No man would enter my house with negative intentions and leave all the happier for coming.
But this dog is almost impossible to train, strong willed like no other, & although if the blood lines are good they will never attack the family they ARE NOT for everyone. Please dont buy this breed unless you really know what you are doing with not just dogs, but the worst kinds of guardian breeds. They are not easy and deadly in the hands of most pitbull owner types. I can kick a pitbull off me ... if an OC gets loose with intent to damage I am a dead man. We have multiple gates, fences, even protocols to open the door. Takes a lot of responsibility to own a dog like this.
And an added note; the tibetan mastiff has the same ancestor as the Ovcharka except the TM is not known for its strength & willing to give its life. The caucasian ovcharkas were brought over from Tibet 2,000-3,000 years ago.
I hope this clears things up a little.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by COchief

I couldn't deal with the drool and massive dumps myself, but damn that Bernie is calling me...

There is a very old legend that says when the gods left Tibet the monks begged them to stay for who would protect them in their absence? The gods did not reply but the monks awoke the next morning with seven ovcharkas sleeping at the foot of the steps of the monastery, 3 males and 4 females, to replace the last seven gods that left the earth. It was said that the gods had mixed the strongest bears and the smartest wolves together to make the new protectors. Obviously untrue but legends are born around those that deserve it in some cases

But this dog is almost impossible to train
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dump size can be halved by feeding them lamb & rice. slobbering isn't much of an issue depending on the bully, I don't KNOW, but I wouldn't think it would be much of an issue for the bernie either.

the legend is so DAMN COOL! like....make a movie about that!

impossible to train...sounds like my Tundra Sherherd (may she rest in peace) Loki....yes Loki...the god of mischief and evil. fitting name.