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Old 02-19-2013, 01:24 AM   #1
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Here's the rub. You don't need help. He does. You want him to be helped. He does not. You can't fix this problem. He has to fix it. Drug addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom. The only thing you can do to "help" is push him towards rock bottom. That includes doing things that will be uncomfortable for you, him, your family, and your relationship:
1. You could notify authorities.
2. You could swipe his stash. Tough to get high when you don't have the goods.
3. You could tell your family.
4. You could call 911 and tell them he OD'ed.

You're going to be forced to do something that sucks or do nothing at all and wait for him to destroy his life even more or perhaps even kill somebody or himself. I don't envy you this position but it's probably not your fault and unless you have big brass ones, there's nothing you can do about it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:30 AM   #2
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Here's the rub. You don't need help. He does. You want him to be helped. He does not. You can't fix this problem. He has to fix it. Drug addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom. The only thing you can do to "help" is push him towards rock bottom. That includes doing things that will be uncomfortable for you, him, your family, and your relationship:
1. You could notify authorities.
2. You could swipe his stash. Tough to get high when you don't have the goods.
3. You could tell your family.
4. You could call 911 and tell them he OD'ed.

You're going to be forced to do something that sucks or do nothing at all and wait for him to destroy his life even more or perhaps even kill somebody or himself. I don't envy you this position but it's probably not your fault and unless you have big brass ones, there's nothing you can do about it.

Exactly this. You have to love him enough to do something that will make him hate you in the short term.

Best of luck.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:37 AM   #3
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Here's the rub. You don't need help. He does. You want him to be helped. He does not. You can't fix this problem. He has to fix it. Drug addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom. The only thing you can do to "help" is push him towards rock bottom. That includes doing things that will be uncomfortable for you, him, your family, and your relationship:
1. You could notify authorities.
2. You could swipe his stash. Tough to get high when you don't have the goods.
3. You could tell your family.
4. You could call 911 and tell them he OD'ed.

You're going to be forced to do something that sucks or do nothing at all and wait for him to destroy his life even more or perhaps even kill somebody or himself. I don't envy you this position but it's probably not your fault and unless you have big brass ones, there's nothing you can do about it.
I agree with all of this and say that jail could be the best thing for him as it would be consiquences for his actions to learn from and it's not ok to do it. I know many recovering addicts and alcoholics that have been grateful that they went to jail even though they didn't like it at the time it gave them a chance to sober up.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:15 AM   #4
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Here's the rub. You don't need help. He does. You want him to be helped. He does not. You can't fix this problem. He has to fix it. Drug addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom. The only thing you can do to "help" is push him towards rock bottom. That includes doing things that will be uncomfortable for you, him, your family, and your relationship:
1. You could notify authorities.
2. You could swipe his stash. Tough to get high when you don't have the goods.
3. You could tell your family.
4. You could call 911 and tell them he OD'ed.

You're going to be forced to do something that sucks or do nothing at all and wait for him to destroy his life even more or perhaps even kill somebody or himself. I don't envy you this position but it's probably not your fault and unless you have big brass ones, there's nothing you can do about it.

Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:22 AM   #5
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Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
No, do not do this, as it would be felony kidnapping and it would ruin YOUR life if for whatever reason he goes to the authorities.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:27 AM   #6
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Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:33 AM   #7
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Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:34 AM   #8
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Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
Good point. My advice would be then to divide his stash up into 5 days worth and give him a smaller amount each day till it's gone. That should get him thru withdrawals.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:58 AM   #9
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Good point. My advice would be then to divide his stash up into 5 days worth and give him a smaller amount each day till it's gone. That should get him thru withdrawals.
You've seen too many movies. There are people who, you know, GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL that should be in charge of this process.

Not a hog farmer.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:09 PM   #10
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You've seen too many movies. There are people who, you know, GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL that should be in charge of this process.

Not a hog farmer.
ya but this isn't a medical problem , it's a drug criminal problem /christianity
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:49 AM   #11
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Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:19 PM   #12
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