Should the Chiefs trade down?

[RunKC]

Interesting article here by Peter King..
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/10/w...ans-saints-nfl

King spoke with 10 team officials including a GM and this was the collective response:

"Twenty-five to 55 is the same player, to me."
"Eleven to 40 is the same guy."
"To us, 18 to 48 you can get the same player."
"Load me up with twos and threes in this draft. That's where I'd want a lot of picks."

Also from Gil Brand.."it's the kind of draft where the 50th player on some team's board will be the 17th player on another team, and the 17th player on the first team could be the 50th on that other team."

If a team called the Chiefs and offered a 3rd round pick to move down 10-12 spots, would you do it?
I think I would if Apple, WJIII, Lynch and Butler are gone, which with the way it's looking will be the case.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I've mentioned this before, but with so many of the offensive roster spots seemingly locked down, I pray that Dorsey loads the hell up on defense here in a few weeks.

Sure, if they think Lynch is a QBOTF, I won't complain, or even with a nice WR. (Even though I like Conley long term)

Of our 7 picks, I'd like to for sure see 2 CBs, 1 OLB, and maybe an ILB (Jaylon Smith?)

As someone mentioned previously, we need to be stubborn about building onto the defense. Continue to add speed and physicality to that side of the ball.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

No. Because then i'd have to wait longer to see who they pick. And well, **** that.

I actually had this thought at first too. Funny.

God I hate the new NFL draft setup.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I've mentioned this before, but with so many of the offensive roster spots seemingly locked down, I pray that Dorsey loads the hell up on defense here in a few weeks.

Sure, if they think Lynch is a QBOTF, I won't complain, or even with a nice WR. (Even though I like Conley long term)

Of our 7 picks, I'd like to for sure see 2 CBs, 1 OLB, and maybe an ILB (Jaylon Smith?)

As someone mentioned previously, we need to be stubborn about building a defense. Continue to add speed and physicality to that side of the ball.

I'd like to see another WR (maybe Sheppard or Miller in the 2nd) but they need to just start stacking guys everywhere and hope to hit upgrades.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Can't forget the guard position either, which I nearly did. Regardless of if the 5 starters are already on the roster or not, the OL depth has to be addressed.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Can't forget the guard position either, which I nearly did. Regardless of if the 5 starters are already on the roster or not, the OL depth has to be addressed.

We have a lot of guys who can play multiple positions. We do need to add depth but unless we have a ton of injuries again, it's not a big need.

Starters:
Fisher
LDT
Morse
Reid
Schwartz

Fulton - center or guard
Pughsley - guard or tackle
Reid - guard or tackle
Morse - center,guard,tackle
LDT - either guard
Fisher - either tackle
Schwartz - either tackle

We really just need one more quality tackle/guard guy.

[O.city]

A real mauler at guard would be nice for the rg spot

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by O.city

A real mauler at guard would be nice for the rg spot

Dorsey mentioned in an interview a couple weeks ago that he thinks having Schwartz at RT will help LDT make big strides, so they seem to have him locked in there. LG is the ?. I think Fulton is starter quality at center, but as far as guard goes he isn't better than Reid. Probably need to draft a guard. Reid Fragel could actually step up and be the next swing tackle if Jah becomes full time LG.

[kccrow]

Dropping 10 spots for a 3rd is a deal I'd do providing that there wasn't a player I absolutely had to have sitting there at 28. It's actually outstanding trade value if you're talking a high 3rd round pick.

As for the Mackensie Alexander debate, I see him as a Alterraun Verner clone. Not great, very average and solid. He's not going to win you games but he probably isn't going to lose you any all by himself either. Overall, don't know that I see Alexander as a good schematic fit. I think he'll operate best as a zone defender.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Dropping 10 spots for a 3rd is a deal I'd do providing that there wasn't a player I absolutely had to have sitting there at 28. It's actually outstanding trade value if you're talking a high 3rd round pick.

As for the Mackensie Alexander debate, I see him as a Alterraun Verner clone. Not great, very average and solid. He's not going to win you games but he probably isn't going to lose you any all by himself either. Overall, don't know that I see Alexander as a good schematic fit. I think he'll operate best as a zone defender.

I completely disagree.

As much as it would be nice to have a third, there's no way I'm dropping 10 spots and getting an inferior player. That makes absolutely no sense.

With at least three QB's going off the board before 28, as well as at least two left tackles, a couple of safeties and linebackers, there's a very good chance that the Chiefs get a blue chipper at 28.

The same can't be said at 38.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I completely disagree.

As much as it would be nice to have a third, there's no way I'm dropping 10 spots and getting an inferior player. That makes absolutely no sense.

With at least three QB's going off the board before 28, as well as at least two left tackles, a couple of safeties and linebackers, there's a very good chance that the Chiefs get a blue chipper at 28.

The same can't be said at 38.

Like I said, depends on if there's a player there I had to have. If one of the top CBs is there (WJ3, Apple primarily), then I'd take that guy. I don't see how a guy like Ragland or Lee is there, but they'd make me stay put. I could pass on just about any defensive lineman, to be honest, and feel good about the value at 38 in this group. I wouldn't pass on Corey Coleman if he fell. I'd think long and hard on Doctson. Other than that, not too many I'd feel bad about. I do like Spence and don't trust Ford, so that would give me something to seriously think about.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

With the expected 2 comp picks for 2017, I would love it if the Chiefs moved up by sending away a future 3rd rounder to slide up in this year's 2nd round so we can get Alexander and Doctson with the first two picks.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Like I said, depends on if there's a player there I had to have. If one of the top CBs is there (WJ3, Apple primarily), then I'd take that guy. I don't see how a guy like Ragland or Lee is there, but they'd make me stay put. I could pass on just about any defensive lineman, to be honest, and feel good about the value at 38 in this group. I wouldn't pass on Corey Coleman if he fell. I'd think long and hard on Doctson. Other than that, not too many I'd feel bad about. I do like Spence and don't trust Ford, so that would give me something to seriously think about.

I don't like Spence, at all, and I don't think there's a chance that Lee is there at #28 but if he is, you freakin' hurdle desks to get to the card to the Commissioner.

As for tDocston, I don't know about his drop rate but this blurb from Peter King certainly sours me on these guys. I've had a enough "Dwayne Bowe" to last a decade and don't need to see a repeat:

Laquon Treadwell had nine drops in 91 catchable balls, but two other potential first-round receivers were worse: Corey Coleman of Baylor (10 drops in 84 catchable balls) and Will Fuller of Notre Dame (10 in 72). For Fuller, one drop per seven catchable throws—that’s just awful.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Laz, Morse would get chewed up at tackle with his short arms and below average upper body strength. He needs the ground to generate his upward force which makes him a terrific center

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't like Spence, at all, and I don't think there's a chance that Lee is there at #28 but if he is, you freakin' hurdle desks to get to the card to the Commissioner.

As for tDocston, I don't know about his drop rate but this blurb from Peter King certainly sours me on these guys. I've had a enough "Dwayne Bowe" to last a decade and don't need to see a repeat:

Laquon Treadwell had nine drops in 91 catchable balls, but two other potential first-round receivers were worse: Corey Coleman of Baylor (10 drops in 84 catchable balls) and Will Fuller of Notre Dame (10 in 72). For Fuller, one drop per seven catchable throws—that’s just awful.

According to CFB film room he was at 6%. Some have him slightly lower. I dunno, its all relative to whether the viewer thought the receiver could realistically catch the ball and touched it. This is an interesting write-up if you're willing to read the whole thing: http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/rec...s-results.html

To me, Doctson is the most complete receiver in this class. In my opinion, Doctson has a DeAndre Hopkins ceiling and a Marvin Jones floor. Basically, potential #1 but a solid #2 at worst.

With Maclin on one side, it'd be nice to have that reliable possession type on the other.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

According to CFB film room he was at 6%. Some have him slightly lower. I dunno, its all relative to whether the viewer thought the receiver could realistically catch the ball and touched it. This is an interesting write-up if you're willing to read the whole thing: http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/rec...s-results.html

To me, Doctson is the most complete receiver in this class. In my opinion, Doctson has a DeAndre Hopkins ceiling and a Marvin Jones floor. Basically, potential #1 but a solid #2 at worst.

With Maclin on one side, it'd be nice to have that reliable possession type on the other.

My assessment is also a high end #2 like Marvin or Doug Baldwin. His game speed seems to be a lot faster than his 40 time as he is terrific with utilizing his body to get open. Boykin's QBR when throwing to Doctson last year was the highest CFB passer rating of any targeted receiver last season. Boykin's overall completion % was 65, while Doctson's % of targets pulled in was 75.