Chiefs Good read about Demarcus Robinson - Page 2

**BossChief** · 05-28-2016, 10:09 PM

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It was a common thought that the Kansas City Chiefs needed help at the wide receiver position heading into the draft. There were rumors about potential interest in a couple of the top WRs that went in round one but by the end of the third round, many were saying, maybe the Chiefs just don't see WR as a need.

Enter Demarcus Robinson, with the Chiefs last of three fourth round picks. Most NFL draft experts believe that Robinson was an early-round talent on the field with great hands and run-after-the-catch ability. After watching all available games on Draft Breakdown, I can confirm Robinson is a fun player to watch and compares favorably to other WRs I've reviewed.

So, why didn't he get drafted earlier? Demarcus had some legitimate off-field concerns -- Perhaps overshadowed by another Chiefs draft pick in this regard -- that likely had him much lower on team's draft boards than his talent would indicate. Robinson was suspended four times while at Florida, and completed rehab for marijuana use.

The measurables
6'1" 203 pounds, 33" arms, 9 1/2" hands

His pro day results were solid, but not as spectacular as many predicted prior to the draft (this may also have been a factor in his being available in round four): 4.59 40-yard dash, 4.21 short shuttle, 6.69 3-cone, 33 1/2" vertical and 10'3" broad jump.

How does he fit with Chiefs
Again, the Chiefs were clearly looking to upgrade at wide receiver again this offseason. They added Rod Streater and Mike Williams on one year deals in free agency before investing the fourth round pick in Robinson.

Robinson will likely compete with Chris Conley for the WR2 of the future, once each has fully grown into the offensive playbook. Demarcus Robinson is what I would consider the classic Andy Reid WR. He can line up inside our outside, but I certainly think he's more of an outside receiver. He has great hands and has shown the ability to run crisp routes.

Where he really excels is yards after the catch. He was featured on WR screens and quick outs in order to get the ball in his hands in space. He routinely makes defenders miss, and breaks tackles. He can get up the sideline for big chunks of yardage on the short passes that the Chiefs have been known for. He can also go up and get the ball in spectacular fashion when they take a shot deep.

Reviewing the tape
2015 vs Mizzou

Didn't go down on first contact

Willing blocker with good hand placement and foot movement

Ran good routes, with crisp breaks

Fought for extra yards, has YAC for days

Noticed him running comeback, screen, out and slant routes credited with six catches, 79 yards with a long of 25, and a 13.2 average

2015 vs Ole Miss

Scored on a deep post route

Used him as a decoy on the end around

Had a highlight reel catch with one hand on the sideline. Shows excellent body control, hand eye coordination

Good football speed -- appears to play faster than his 40 time

They tried to get him the ball quick and let him run, but they did target him deep, and on a two point conversion

Not overly physical -- got out-muscled at times

Credited with eight catches, 98 yards with a TD and a long of 36, and a 12.3 average

Took a screen for good yardage to open the game

Broke a slant for 40 yards

Carries the ball in one hand quite often -- ball security could become an issue at the next level

missed a couple of blocks

Took the hand around and threw a deep pass- but it was off target and nearly picked

Shows the ability to get his feet down on the sidelines

YAC, YAC, YAC

Fumbled once when fighting for extra yardage -- surrounded by SIX defenders, was still carrying ball in one hand

Made a defender look silly on more than one occasion with a quick change of direction

Credited with nine catches, 106 yards with a long of 36, and a 11.8 avg

2014 vs Kentucky

First play was a quick pass, Robinson turned it in to a big gane

Good speed, but not elite

Competes for the ball, but got out-fought a couple of times

Again, caught a five yard pass, juked a defender out of his shoes and turned it into a big gain up the sideline

QB play was suspect at best -- some very poorly thrown balls

Some plays he looked a bit lost or disinterested when blocking... others, he fought through the whistle

Made something out of a broken route: slipped in his break, pass hits the defender in the chest, bounces up, Robinson catches it and ran 20 yds down the field

Another quick out with a nice run after

....and another

Ran a nifty route for a TD: set his man up on the inside, accelerated quickly to the outside, defender didn't go with him ... easy catch for six

caught a TD in OT to tie the game on a fade route

Then had the game winning TD go through his hands (might have been tipped by a defender, as the QB was VERY late with the pass)

Credited with 15 catches, 216 yards with two TD, and a 14.4 avg

Where he wins
Played effectively in the slot and at outside WR

Clean, crisp route runner

Great hands -- reliable pass catcher

Elite run after the catch ability -- consistently gains extra yardage

Very good body control and coordination -- helps in making highlight reels and toe-tap catches on the sidelines

Very good speed

Where he doesn't win
Ball security -- tends to carry the football in one hand away from his body, could lead to more fumbles

Inconsistent as a blocker -- showed he CAN do it, just doesn't always get it done

Can get pushed around at times on contested passes

While he gains extra yardage, may lack that extra gear or breakaway speed to go the distance

Possible NFL comparisons
Marvin Jones

Emmanuel Sanders

Titty Meat · 05-29-2016, 02:37 PM

Heard Conleys OTA interview. I think if the guy fails it's because he's too stupid to grasp the playbook. Dude has all the physical tools it showed a few times last year.

staylor26 · 05-29-2016, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Heard Conleys OTA interview. I think if the guy fails it's because he's too stupid to grasp the playbook. Dude has all the physical tools it showed a few times last year.

Lol wut?

It is so obvious the mental part will not be an issue with Conley. And the fact that became a concern AFTER you supposedly heard an interview really makes me think you have to be trolling.

He has to be one of those most well spoken/intelligent WR's I've ever seen coming out of college.

Titty Meat · 05-29-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol wut?

It is so obvious the mental part will not be an issue with Conley. And the fact that became a concern AFTER you supposedly saw an interview really makes me think you have to be trolling.

He has to be one of those most well spoken/intelligent WR's I've ever seen coming out of college.

Umm he personally spoke about how hard learning the playbook/verbiage was. Being well spoken has nothing to do with learning an NFL playbook.

staylor26 · 05-29-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Umm he personally spoke about how hard learning the playbook/verbiage was. Being well spoken has nothing to do with learning an NFL playbook.

You do realize every single WR says this about our offense right?

Conley is in no way "too stupid" to learn the playbook.

R Clark · 05-29-2016, 02:44 PM

It would be my guess his iq is higher than yours

**Rausch** · 05-29-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree.

Not only is Conley bigger, faster and more physically gifted than Robinson, Dorsey also traded up for him.

If a 4th round WR, who most likely wouldn't have been drafted by the Chiefs had it not been for their trade back in the 2016 draft, gets more snaps than Conley this season, then he may never pan out.

Conley showed promise in limited snaps.

He also has no off the field issues.

This year we went full "Marty 98" and ignored all character issues in hopes of a big year.

(And I STILL don't think we drafted well...)

staylor26 · 05-29-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Conley showed promise in limited snaps.

He also has no off the field issues.

This year we went full "Marty 98" and ignored all character issues in hopes of a big year.

(And I STILL don't think we drafted well...)

We got terrific value and added talent at just about every position we needed to. We had a very good draft.

Mr. Laz · 05-29-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well, a few things....
The guy looks like the second coming of Josh Gordon.

At the same time, I really wish football would quit trying to play moral police when it comes to non performance enhancing substances. In terms of playing football, I'm not worried if a guy smokes a little weed.

Look in the mirror, Football is playing the moral police because "the people" trash them if they don't. The NFL is a business and the react to pressure from the people that buy their product.

POND_OF_RED · 05-29-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Look in the mirror, Football is playing the moral police because "the people" trash them if they don't. The NFL is a business and the react to pressure from the people that buy their product.

I don't think the majority of football fans give a shit about a guy smoking weed. If they stopped testing for marijuana it'd be really hard to tell if a player smoked or not. By giving suspensions for it, you're just putting it in the news for the prudes to make a big deal about it.

vailpass · 05-29-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol wut?

It is so obvious the mental part will not be an issue with Conley. And the fact that became a concern AFTER you supposedly heard an interview really makes me think you have to be trolling.

He has to be one of those most well spoken/intelligent WR's I've ever seen coming out of college.

"Well spoken"?

How kind of you to say so.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-29-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

I don't think the majority of football fans give a shit about a guy smoking weed. If they stopped testing for marijuana it'd be really hard to tell if a player smoked or not. By giving suspensions for it, you're just putting it in the news for the prudes to make a big deal about it.

Yup. It's like the jaywalking of NFL issues.

DUIs, hard drugs, assault, etc.... by all means, punish. But smoking a little weed? Who cares?

staylor26 · 05-29-2016, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

"Well spoken"?

How kind of you to say so.

Yea "well spoken", as in speaking in an educated manner. He's clearly an intelligent person when you listen to him talk.

Chiefshrink · 05-30-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Here's a question for Gator fans and draftniks:

Is Robinson a WR that can get open quickly, right away? Because I don't know what the point in drafting a go-up-and-get-it WR with Alex Smith at QB. Same thing with Mike Williams.

Don't know anything about Robinson but you are definitely wrong about Williams. If Williams gets back to true form he will be our 1b WR with Maclin being our 1a. Williams is that good.

Chief Pagan · 05-30-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Look in the mirror, Football is playing the moral police because "the people" trash them if they don't. The NFL is a business and the react to pressure from the people that buy their product.

Yea, and I blame the media for that. Too many pundits trying to write too many stories from any angle they can.

And yes, I really blame the fans for being caught up in the non-football lives of football players.

But I still think the NFL should push back when and where it can. If someone gets arrested for possession, maybe you have to do something. You sure as hell don't have to go out of your way to test for non performance enhancing substances.

vailpass · 05-30-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea "well spoken", as in speaking in an educated manner. He's clearly an intelligent person when you listen to him talk.

I'll bet he seems athletic to you as well.

05-28-2016, 10:09 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1854088	Good read about Demarcus Robinson https://www.google.com/amp/www.arrow...client=safari# It was a common thought that the Kansas City Chiefs needed help at the wide receiver position heading into the draft. There were rumors about potential interest in a couple of the top WRs that went in round one but by the end of the third round, many were saying, maybe the Chiefs just don't see WR as a need. Enter Demarcus Robinson, with the Chiefs last of three fourth round picks. Most NFL draft experts believe that Robinson was an early-round talent on the field with great hands and run-after-the-catch ability. After watching all available games on Draft Breakdown, I can confirm Robinson is a fun player to watch and compares favorably to other WRs I've reviewed. So, why didn't he get drafted earlier? Demarcus had some legitimate off-field concerns -- Perhaps overshadowed by another Chiefs draft pick in this regard -- that likely had him much lower on team's draft boards than his talent would indicate. Robinson was suspended four times while at Florida, and completed rehab for marijuana use. The measurables 6'1" 203 pounds, 33" arms, 9 1/2" hands His pro day results were solid, but not as spectacular as many predicted prior to the draft (this may also have been a factor in his being available in round four): 4.59 40-yard dash, 4.21 short shuttle, 6.69 3-cone, 33 1/2" vertical and 10'3" broad jump. How does he fit with Chiefs Again, the Chiefs were clearly looking to upgrade at wide receiver again this offseason. They added Rod Streater and Mike Williams on one year deals in free agency before investing the fourth round pick in Robinson. Robinson will likely compete with Chris Conley for the WR2 of the future, once each has fully grown into the offensive playbook. Demarcus Robinson is what I would consider the classic Andy Reid WR. He can line up inside our outside, but I certainly think he's more of an outside receiver. He has great hands and has shown the ability to run crisp routes. Where he really excels is yards after the catch. He was featured on WR screens and quick outs in order to get the ball in his hands in space. He routinely makes defenders miss, and breaks tackles. He can get up the sideline for big chunks of yardage on the short passes that the Chiefs have been known for. He can also go up and get the ball in spectacular fashion when they take a shot deep. Reviewing the tape 2015 vs Mizzou Didn't go down on first contact Willing blocker with good hand placement and foot movement Ran good routes, with crisp breaks Fought for extra yards, has YAC for days Noticed him running comeback, screen, out and slant routes credited with six catches, 79 yards with a long of 25, and a 13.2 average 2015 vs Ole Miss Scored on a deep post route Used him as a decoy on the end around Had a highlight reel catch with one hand on the sideline. Shows excellent body control, hand eye coordination Good football speed -- appears to play faster than his 40 time They tried to get him the ball quick and let him run, but they did target him deep, and on a two point conversion Not overly physical -- got out-muscled at times Credited with eight catches, 98 yards with a TD and a long of 36, and a 12.3 average Took a screen for good yardage to open the game Broke a slant for 40 yards Carries the ball in one hand quite often -- ball security could become an issue at the next level missed a couple of blocks Took the hand around and threw a deep pass- but it was off target and nearly picked Shows the ability to get his feet down on the sidelines YAC, YAC, YAC Fumbled once when fighting for extra yardage -- surrounded by SIX defenders, was still carrying ball in one hand Made a defender look silly on more than one occasion with a quick change of direction Credited with nine catches, 106 yards with a long of 36, and a 11.8 avg 2014 vs Kentucky First play was a quick pass, Robinson turned it in to a big gane Good speed, but not elite Competes for the ball, but got out-fought a couple of times Again, caught a five yard pass, juked a defender out of his shoes and turned it into a big gain up the sideline QB play was suspect at best -- some very poorly thrown balls Some plays he looked a bit lost or disinterested when blocking... others, he fought through the whistle Made something out of a broken route: slipped in his break, pass hits the defender in the chest, bounces up, Robinson catches it and ran 20 yds down the field Another quick out with a nice run after ....and another Ran a nifty route for a TD: set his man up on the inside, accelerated quickly to the outside, defender didn't go with him ... easy catch for six caught a TD in OT to tie the game on a fade route Then had the game winning TD go through his hands (might have been tipped by a defender, as the QB was VERY late with the pass) Credited with 15 catches, 216 yards with two TD, and a 14.4 avg Where he wins Played effectively in the slot and at outside WR Clean, crisp route runner Great hands -- reliable pass catcher Elite run after the catch ability -- consistently gains extra yardage Very good body control and coordination -- helps in making highlight reels and toe-tap catches on the sidelines Very good speed Where he doesn't win Ball security -- tends to carry the football in one hand away from his body, could lead to more fumbles Inconsistent as a blocker -- showed he CAN do it, just doesn't always get it done Can get pushed around at times on contested passes While he gains extra yardage, may lack that extra gear or breakaway speed to go the distance Possible NFL comparisons Marvin Jones Emmanuel Sanders
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $2257558	Heard Conleys OTA interview. I think if the guy fails it's because he's too stupid to grasp the playbook. Dude has all the physical tools it showed a few times last year.
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05-29-2016, 02:44 PM	#20
R Clark Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $4824900	It would be my guess his iq is higher than yours
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