Fox Fall 2013: Sleepy Hollow

[007]

Originally Posted by Silock

No kidding. "Get in the car!" "Okay!" I'd be like "WTF is a CAR?"

When she said that, he had already been in a car. HIs WTF moment probably happened then.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Silock

No kidding. "Get in the car!" "Okay!" I'd be like "WTF is a CAR?"

Well, it is short for carriage, which he would have been familiar with in his day.

[mr. tegu]

I enjoyed the first episode. I hope they don't just hit you right in the face with everything. It seemed like quite a lot was revealed already, especially in the previews for upcoming episodes.

[DaneMcCloud]

Oh boy. I just started this and completely forgot it was Orci and Kurtzman.

I wonder how long it'll be before there's an island involved.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh boy. I just started this and completely forgot it was Orci and Kurtzman

Hoping it's just their name attached to someone else's work, like a lot of bad robot stuff these days.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Hoping it's just their name attached to someone else's work, like a lot of bad robot stuff these days.

Unfortunately, it's not, although Len Wiseman directed the pilot.

[007]

Set it up for a 7 year run. Too bad Fox will cancel it after one whether it is a hit or not.

For the record, I did enjoy the first ep and will continue watching.

[DaneMcCloud]

Meh.

I'll keep recording it to see where it goes but witches, covens, the Biblical supernatural isn't going to "play" come spring.

The biggest disappointment, IMO, is there was an opportunity to introduce a "National Treasure" type historical vibe but instead, they went with the witch angle.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering the limited creativity of the principles.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The biggest disappointment, IMO, is there was an opportunity to introduce a "National Treasure" type historical vibe but instead, they went with the witch angle.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering the limited creativity of the principles.

So...you're saying you're disappointed with their limited creativity and wish they'd done something more like something that's already been done.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

So...you're saying you're disappointed with their limited creativity and wish they'd done something more like something that's already been done.

I'm not stating that they should have followed the "family narrative" or a side kick and love interest angle. But here's a character in Ichabod that's a British traitor serving under George Washington in the Revolutionary War. There are endless possibilities.

For instance, they found the head way too soon, IMO. Why not make it more of a mystery where Ichabod says something along the lines of "I know who knows where the head lies. George Washington (or Ben Franklin or John Hancock, for that matter)".

Then, they could mix history with the procedural, which would have made it really fun and more "grounded".

IMO, it would sure beat the hell out of witches. Blech.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not stating that they should have followed the "family narrative" or a side kick and love interest angle. But here's a character in Ichabod that's a British traitor serving under George Washington in the Revolutionary War. There are endless possibilities.

For instance, they found the head way too soon, IMO. Why not make it more of a mystery where Ichabod says something along the lines of "I know who knows where the head lies. George Washington (or Ben Franklin or John Hancock, for that matter)".

Then, they could mix history with the procedural, which would have made it really fun and more "grounded".

IMO, it would sure beat the hell out of witches. Blech.

I'd like to see where it goes before passing judgement about the witches. While witchcraft has never been my 'thing', I actually think that's a fresher take than a national treasure/davinci code adventure would be. But I am admittedly a fan of things with a weirder supernatural take. It sounds like a few of you can't stretch your imagination that far, and that's fine. Different strokes...

I thought it started fine but began to unravel around the half hour mark. There was too much infodump. A lot of writers seem to be losing the old "show, don't tell" addage. There were too many abrupt events, as well. Just as an example, Sulu's ties to the dark side should've been foreshadowed by something more sophisticated than a moustache-twirl of a look. They gave it away in such a hackneyed fashion that there was no tension left when he arrived at his apartment and found the horseman there. Similarly, I thought the Reverend witch just wasn't handled very well. I also thought the editing was a little too schizophrenic for my tastes. I think as a whole there wasn't much in the way of subtlety or sophistication to the pilot. It had all the hallmarks of the downside of the bad robot guys: trying so hard to be cool and edgy that they miss the mark on the common sense stuff.

That said, I enjoyed it and will keep watching. At least until Fox cancels it.

I hope Almost Human's pilot in November is stronger. That one actually is a full bad robot production, sleepy hollow isn't, just orci/kurtzman, but i'm not sure whether that's a positive or a negative at this point.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd like to see where it goes before passing judgement about the witches. While witchcraft has never been my 'thing', I actually think that's a fresher take than a national treasure/davinci code adventure would be. But I am admittedly a fan of things with a weirder supernatural take. It sounds like a few of you can't stretch your imagination that far, and that's fine. Different strokes...

I thought it started fine but began to unravel around the half hour mark. There was too much infodump. A lot of writers seem to be losing the old "show, don't tell" addage. There were too many abrupt events, as well. Just as an example, Sulu's ties to the dark side should've been foreshadowed by something more sophisticated than a moustache-twirl of a look. They gave it away in such a hackneyed fashion that there was no tension left when he arrived at his apartment and found the horseman there. Similarly, I thought the Reverend witch just wasn't handled very well. I also thought the editing was a little too schizophrenic for my tastes. I think as a whole there wasn't much in the way of subtlety or sophistication to the pilot. It had all the hallmarks of the downside of the bad robot guys: trying so hard to be cool and edgy that they miss the mark on the common sense stuff.

That said, I enjoyed it and will keep watching. At least until Fox cancels it.

I felt like the writers were trying to cram the first season into one episode so they can get to the meat of the plot.

It almost felt like they were trying to grab the audience's attention to avoid the Firefly treatment.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd like to see where it goes before passing judgement about the witches. While witchcraft has never been my 'thing', I actually think that's a fresher take than a national treasure/davinci code adventure would be. But I am admittedly a fan of things with a weirder supernatural take. It sounds like a few of you can't stretch your imagination that far, and that's fine. Different strokes...

I thought it started fine but began to unravel around the half hour mark. There was too much infodump. A lot of writers seem to be losing the old "show, don't tell" addage. There were too many abrupt events, as well. Just as an example, Sulu's ties to the dark side should've been foreshadowed by something more sophisticated than a moustache-twirl of a look. They gave it away in such a hackneyed fashion that there was no tension left when he arrived at his apartment and found the horseman there. Similarly, I thought the Reverend witch just wasn't handled very well. I also thought the editing was a little too schizophrenic for my tastes. I think as a whole there wasn't much in the way of subtlety or sophistication to the pilot. It had all the hallmarks of the downside of the bad robot guys: trying so hard to be cool and edgy that they miss the mark on the common sense stuff.

That said, I enjoyed it and will keep watching. At least until Fox cancels it.

I hope Almost Human's pilot in November is stronger. That one actually is a full bad robot production, sleepy hollow isn't, just orci/kurtzman, but i'm not sure whether that's a positive or a negative at this point.

The witch angle has been done to a certain extent with this story before in Tim Burton film. So I wouldn't really call it fresh. And honestly, the aspect of it does not bother me all that much. My biggest issue is with making neck stump into one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. That is just stretching it too far from the original story for me.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Meh.

I'll keep recording it to see where it goes but witches, covens, the Biblical supernatural isn't going to "play" come spring.

The biggest disappointment, IMO, is there was an opportunity to introduce a "National Treasure" type historical vibe but instead, they went with the witch angle.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering the limited creativity of the principles.

This is more or less my take on it. I don't mind the supernatural to an extent, it is after all a ghost story originally, but the apocalyptic avenue is going too far, IMHO. I have grown accustomed to the story being bastardized but, this seems to be straying way the hell out there.

I also agree that a National Treasure type tilt would a have a chance at being more interesting. As it is, it was about as stupid as I feared. Though I'll give it one more shot just because it can be hard to tell from the first show as that is primarily a set up episode. I am not optimistic though.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

This is more or less my take on it. I don't mind the supernatural to an extent, it is after all a ghost story originally, but the apocalyptic avenue is going too far, IMHO. I have grown accustomed to the story being bastardized but, this seems to be straying way the hell out there.

I also agree that a National Treasure type tilt would a have a chance at being more interesting. As it is, it was about as stupid as I feared. Though I'll give it one more shot just because it can be hard to tell from the first show as that is primarily a set up episode. I am not optimistic though.

I would agree with this. I was under the impression, and the first part suggested it as well, that the show would involve many aspects of history and would take on a more suspense or mystery feel with things such as cover ups, alternate histories, or revelations about the past. These things can still come into play so I hope it doesn't just get too crazy with the paranormal.