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Old 11-22-2012, 06:13 PM   #1
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No. I don't know how that even applies. And rgIII walked into the nfl with a much better pocket passing skill set than geno anyway.
That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.

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The reason I said rgIII was sure fire was that... Yeah, I believed rgIIIs floor was at the worst an elite running qb. I believed his most likely upside as to be a big Ben qb that was so elusive in the pocket that he could extend plays even if he couldn't make a lightning quick read.

Genos success will depend on being an elite pocket qb. He has to be elite at pre snap reads. Elite at going through progressions. Elite at making unbelievably fast hot reads, blitz pickups, and getting rid of the ball very quickly. Things he hasn't been asked to do.

RgIII would have succeeded even if he was only average at those things. Geno won't be. Hence, he is a riskier prospect. I like geno. But again, I'm not going to exaggerate his stock.
Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:17 PM   #2
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That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.



Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.
Smith can't overcome shit to win a game. RGIII did.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:25 PM   #3
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:27 PM   #4
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Smith can't overcome shit to win a game. RGIII did.
Name me one QB that can overcome shit every game.

I'm talking about a guy that is trying to keep up with opposing offenses because his defense couldn't stop your grandmother and her friends if they played a game against them, all while having to contend with constant pressure, because his O-Line couldn't block your grandmother and her friends either.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:25 PM   #5
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That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.



Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.
I said that was his floor. I said his realistic floor was that he would be a qb who used his legs to extend passing plays. I also said rgIII had tremendous upside to be a great pocket qb.

Don't talk shit if you aren't going to exaggerate.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:31 PM   #6
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I said that was his floor. I said his realistic floor was that he would be a qb who used his legs to extend passing plays. I also said rgIII had tremendous upside to be a great pocket qb.

Don't talk shit if you aren't going to exaggerate.
What the **** are you talking about?

If his floor is that he's an elite running QB, and that is all he accomplishes, then it doesn't ****ing matter.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:41 PM   #7
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
Yeah..um no.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:45 AM   #8
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Ive heard you say this dumb shit a few times and its absolutely ridiculous.

What exactly gives Geno this "major bust potential"?

What is his "fatal flaw" that he needs to overcome and if he doesnt, he will bust?
Zilla' has been a damned True Fan since the Pioli hire and liked the Cassel trade, so just move along; NOTHING to see there, folks.
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
He's not a sprinter, but he can elude some mother****ers too.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:50 PM   #9
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Zilla' has been a damned True Fan since the Pioli hire and liked the Cassel trade, so just move along; NOTHING to see there, folks.


He's not a sprinter, but he can elude some mother****ers too.
You are better than this.

People know im not a true fan. Stick to the discussion points, not baseless character attacks like this.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:20 PM   #10
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Zilla' has been a damned True Fan since the Pioli hire and liked the Cassel trade, so just move along; NOTHING to see there, folks.


He's not a sprinter, but he can elude some mother****ers too.
The fanbase needs to slow down and lay off their raytown meth pipes if they think smith is in the same universe as an RGIII. That's the bust potential. The fact that everyone assumes because there's a black quarterback in the draft that the next hybrid RGIII/John Elway is among us. Linebackers don't know how to cover griffen because he runs as fast as jamal charles and can throw pin point back shoulder fades like aaron rogers. Those same linebackers probably arn't going to have the same fear of a quarterback that runs slower than they do and tends to overthrow intermediate routes. He's raw and has to learn on the job. Equals bust potential.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:32 PM   #11
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The fanbase needs to slow down and lay off their raytown meth pipes if they think smith is in the same universe as an RGIII. That's the bust potential. The fact that everyone assumes because there's a black quarterback in the draft that the next hybrid RGIII/John Elway is among us. Linebackers don't know how to cover griffen because he runs as fast as jamal charles and can throw pin point back shoulder fades like aaron rogers. Those same linebackers probably arn't going to have the same fear of a quarterback that runs slower than they do and tends to overthrow intermediate routes. He's raw and has to learn on the job. Equals bust potential.
This. Love his upside. Great guy for a #1 pick and a guy I like much better than cam or even Bradford. But yes, we can't pretend he isn't raw.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:34 PM   #12
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
He's l McNabb with more clutch ability.
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He's l McNabb with more clutch ability.
Thats what I see when I watch him play and the comparison I've been making for some time now.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:39 PM   #15
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Barkley is one of my least favorite QB prospects.
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