KU ***** Official 2016/2017 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ***** - Page 62

saphojunkie · 11:59 AM

Now with 800% more crapshoot!

Roster:

Spoiler!

SCHEDULE

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Notable dates:

Late Night in the Phog
Oct 1 6:30 PM
Allen Fieldhouse
Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM

Champions Classic:
Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke

CBE Hall of Fame Classic:
semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC.
Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ).

Armed Forces Classic
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN)
Indiana vs. Kansas
Arizona vs. Michigan State

BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE
Kansas vs. Kentucky
Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY
Jan 28, 2017

Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship.

O.city · 01-05-2017, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Rumblings Michael Porter (#2 recruit) has been in contact with KU recently.

And????

Prison Bitch · 01-05-2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And????

And that's a good thing?

Chiefs Pantalones · 01-05-2017, 09:39 PM

Is this year's team good enough to cut down the nets still in April?

Reerun_KC · 01-05-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Is this year's team good enough to cut down the nets still in April?

Not I less our bigz some how become super awesomeness...

O.city · 01-05-2017, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And that's a good thing?

I was hoping you'd elaborate more on the subject.

C3HIEF3S · 01-05-2017, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Is this year's team good enough to cut down the nets still in April?

I'm not sure with the defensive struggles as of late, but we'll see what happens. The good thing is that there doesn't appear to be any teams in college hoops head and shoulders above everyone else, so anything is possible. I'd still put KU in that top tier of teams, however, even with the defensive struggles as of late. Udoka was a raw talent, but his presence is going to be sorely missed through conference play.

BWillie · 01-05-2017, 10:01 PM

Villanova was 5th last year in adjusted defense. We are currently 29th. Last year we were 3rd.

We lost guys who were known as weak defenders: Ellis, Greene and Selden (kind of)

Makes very little sense to me. I think, a little bit of it is an anomaly. I expect our defensive efficiency to improve but maybe the loss of Jamari Traylor was bigger than we thought. And maybe Ellis and Selden were better defenders than we thought?

I have no idea how Ellis and Selden would be better defenders than Josh Jackson. Maybe it's just defensive positioning. That is a staple of a Bill Self defense.

**Buehler445** · 01-05-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Villanova was 5th last year in adjusted defense. We are currently 29th. Last year we were 3rd.

We lost guys who were known as weak defenders: Ellis, Greene and Selden (kind of)

Makes very little sense to me. I think, a little bit of it is an anomaly. I expect our defensive efficiency to improve but maybe the loss of Jamari Traylor was bigger than we thought. And maybe Ellis and Selden were better defenders than we thought?

I have no idea how Ellis and Selden would be better defenders than Josh Jackson. Maybe it's just defensive positioning. That is a staple of a Bill Self defense.

A lot of it is that Lucas was good most of last year, and was PURE GARBAGE until the last few games.

That and we are bad rebounders in the 4 out formation which we didn't do much of until last year. It may get better. Self's teams always do after Christmas, but typically it is on the offensive end not the defensive end, but If Lucas can get back to last year's defensive productivity, we may be OK.

KC_Connection · 01-05-2017, 11:31 PM

Traylor was a serious loss defensively. There's a reason Self trusted him as much as he did.

Going from Selden to Svi and Vick is also a major defensive dropoff.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 01-06-2017, 08:36 AM

Svi going from 12 to 26 minutes a game has a lot to do with the defensive slip. Not a Roy Williams-bad defense, but definitely not a Bill Self lockdown team. Also, while Ellis wasn't a great defensive player due to his size and lack of aggressiveness... he was very good with his positioning as an upperclassman... Bragg\Vick\Doke just aren't as efficient. Bragg has been a massive disappointment, thusfar.

You know it's driving HCBS nuts.

**Meatloaf** · 01-06-2017, 10:55 AM

To me, the biggest disappointment on this team to date is Svi. The guy can shoot, but it appears that's all he can do. At 6'8", I believe he got zero, ZERO, rebounds in the KSU game. That's beyond horrible. Heck, you'd pretty much have to go out of your way to avoid a loose ball rebound.......and he did.

Plus, he's just a horrible passer. Can't tell you how many times he's passed the ball to the defender RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! AAnd lastly, he cannot guard anyone. Seems like all he wants to do is stand around the 3-point line and shoot. Wow, way to give it up for the team, Svi!

Frankly, I'd bench the guy until he decided to play defense. Hells/bells, give me Lightfoot or ANYONE else who might give a rats ass about hustle and solid team play. Time to get down and dirty, Svi.

BWillie · 01-06-2017, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf

To me, the biggest disappointment on this team to date is Svi. The guy can shoot, but it appears that's all he can do. At 6'8", I believe he got zero, ZERO, rebounds in the KSU game. That's beyond horrible. Heck, you'd pretty much have to go out of your way to avoid a loose ball rebound.......and he did.

Plus, he's just a horrible passer. Can't tell you how many times he's passed the ball to the defender RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! AAnd lastly, he cannot guard anyone. Seems like all he wants to do is stand around the 3-point line and shoot. Wow, way to give it up for the team, Svi!

Frankly, I'd bench the guy until he decided to play defense. Hells/bells, give me Lightfoot or ANYONE else who might give a rats ass about hustle and solid team play. Time to get down and dirty, Svi.

He can also drive to the basket. I'm telling you, he has to be one of the best finishers when he does decide to go to the rim. I don't know why he likes to either pull up from midrange (sometimes) or not try to drive to the rim at all. He's pretty good at it. But, he does lack the other skills that some of our other guys have defensively and he's a pretty bad rebounder for his size.

**Meatloaf** · 01-06-2017, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

He can also drive to the basket. I'm telling you, he has to be one of the best finishers when he does decide to go to the rim. I don't know why he likes to either pull up from midrange (sometimes) or not try to drive to the rim at all. He's pretty good at it. But, he does lack the other skills that some of our other guys have defensively and he's a pretty bad rebounder for his size.

You're correct, BWillie, he has definitely improved in taking the ball to the hoop and finishing. I just hate seeing such athletic talent go to waste on the defensive end. He's big enough to make a difference out there, but it just seems like he really doesn't want to "mix it up".

C'mon, Svi, get in there and assert yourself!!!

Prison Bitch · 01-06-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I was hoping you'd elaborate more on the subject.

There isn't much more to it right now, only that the players know.

BWillie · 01-06-2017, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

There isn't much more to it right now, only that the players know.

Well, you were right last time. I forget what it was, so hopefully you are right. He's probably just opening his recruitment as he knows Romar is probably getting canned and daddy gotta find a new job.

04-07-2016, 12:22 PM
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4726250	*** Official 2016-2017 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread * Now with 800% more crapshoot! Roster: Spoiler! RETURNING PLAYERS: Frank Mason, sr. Landen Lucas, sr. Devonte Graham, jr. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, jr. Dwight Coleby, jr. Carlton Bragg, soph. Legerald Vick, sop. Tyler Self, sr. Clay Young, RS JR. INCOMING PLAYERS: Josh Jackson - Rivals #1 player, ESPN100 #3 overall player Udoka Azubuike, fr. Mitch Lightfoot, fr. Evan Maxwell, jr. (sits out year due to transfer rules) Malik Newman, RSSOPH (sits out year due to transfer rules) SCHEDULE Spoiler! WASHBURN (EXH.) TUE, NOVEMBER 1 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. EMPORIA STATE (EXH) MON, NOVEMBER 7 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE ARMED FORCES CLASSIC INDIANA FRI, NOVEMBER 11 HONOLULU, HAWAII JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM STATE FARM CHAMPIONS CLASSIC CHAMPIONS CLASSIC DUKE TUE, NOVEMBER 15 NEW YORK, N.Y. MADISON SQUARE GARDEN VS. SIENA FRI, NOVEMBER 18 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE CBE HALL OF FAME CLASSIC MON, NOVEMBER 21 TBA TUE, NOVEMBER 22 TBA KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER VS. UNC ASHEVILLE FRI, NOVEMBER 25 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. LONG BEACH STATE TUE, NOVEMBER 29 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. STANFORD SAT, DECEMBER 3 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. UMKC TUE, DECEMBER 6 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. NEBRASKA SAT, DECEMBER 10 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE JAYHAWK SHOOTOUT DAVIDSON SAT, DECEMBER 17 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER @ UNLV THU, DECEMBER 22 LAS VEGAS, NEV. THOMAS & MACK CENTER SONIC SEC/BIG 12 CHALLENGE BIG12/SEC CHALLENGE @ KENTUCKY SAT, JANUARY 28 LEXINGTON, KY RUPP ARENA TV: ESPN/2/U CONFERENCE SCHEDULE TBA PHILLIPS 66 BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND WED, MARCH 8 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER QUARTERFINALS THU, MARCH 9 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER SEMIFINALS FRI, MARCH 10 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER FINAL SAT, MARCH 11 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER NCAA MEN'S BASKELL CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND THU, MARCH 16 - FRI, MARCH 17 SECOND ROUND SAT, MARCH 18 - SUN, MARCH 19 SWEET SIXTEEN THU, MARCH 23 - FRI, MARCH 24 ELITE EIGHT SAT, MARCH 25 - SUN, MARCH 26 FINAL FOUR - GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM FINAL FOUR SAT, APRIL 1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP MON, APRIL 3 GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM Notable dates:** Late Night in the Phog Oct 1 6:30 PM Allen Fieldhouse Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM Champions Classic: Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke CBE Hall of Fame Classic: semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC. Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ). Armed Forces Classic Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN) Indiana vs. Kansas Arizona vs. Michigan State BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE Kansas vs. Kentucky Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY Jan 28, 2017 Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship. Last edited by saphojunkie; 07-01-2016 at 11:59 AM..
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01-05-2017, 10:01 PM	#922
BWillie Future NBA Finals MVP Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth Casino cash: $2411241	Villanova was 5th last year in adjusted defense. We are currently 29th. Last year we were 3rd. We lost guys who were known as weak defenders: Ellis, Greene and Selden (kind of) Makes very little sense to me. I think, a little bit of it is an anomaly. I expect our defensive efficiency to improve but maybe the loss of Jamari Traylor was bigger than we thought. And maybe Ellis and Selden were better defenders than we thought? I have no idea how Ellis and Selden would be better defenders than Josh Jackson. Maybe it's just defensive positioning. That is a staple of a Bill Self defense. __________________ Who wants free money? Use the link below to sign up at Bovada, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker and Ignition. Contact me for private deals, spot bonuses, possible rakeback or any questions! Bovada, Ignition, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker: baldeaglepoker.com Bovada Poker is back! Get up to $500 poker deposit bonus.
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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $5352783	Traylor was a serious loss defensively. There's a reason Self trusted him as much as he did. Going from Selden to Svi and Vick is also a major defensive dropoff.
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01-06-2017, 08:36 AM	#925
Fansy the Famous Bard I'm with the Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $2356440	Svi going from 12 to 26 minutes a game has a lot to do with the defensive slip. Not a Roy Williams-bad defense, but definitely not a Bill Self lockdown team. Also, while Ellis wasn't a great defensive player due to his size and lack of aggressiveness... he was very good with his positioning as an upperclassman... Bragg\Vick\Doke just aren't as efficient. Bragg has been a massive disappointment, thusfar. You know it's driving HCBS nuts. __________________ Hi.
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01-06-2017, 10:55 AM	#926
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $4190359	To me, the biggest disappointment on this team to date is Svi. The guy can shoot, but it appears that's all he can do. At 6'8", I believe he got zero, ZERO, rebounds in the KSU game. That's beyond horrible. Heck, you'd pretty much have to go out of your way to avoid a loose ball rebound.......and he did. Plus, he's just a horrible passer. Can't tell you how many times he's passed the ball to the defender RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! AAnd lastly, he cannot guard anyone. Seems like all he wants to do is stand around the 3-point line and shoot. Wow, way to give it up for the team, Svi! Frankly, I'd bench the guy until he decided to play defense. Hells/bells, give me Lightfoot or ANYONE else who might give a rats ass about hustle and solid team play. Time to get down and dirty, Svi.
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