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Old 03-25-2015, 02:12 PM   #1
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No, he has no responsibility other than the pesky little fact that it was his decision to run that led to the chain of events that resulted in his death.
That's a load of horseshit. The responsibility for his death lies solely with the dumb **** who pulled a gun out and took his life. He didn't do one single thing to precipitate that action.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:22 PM   #2
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No, he has no responsibility other than the pesky little fact that it was his decision to run that led to the chain of events that resulted in his death.
I just don't think he deserved to be shot at for that. I'd rather law enforcement watch a shitty but otherwise harmless lowlife run off into the night than take the change of accidentally killing him over a stupid vehicle emissions sticker.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:30 PM   #3
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I just don't think he deserved to be shot at for that. I'd rather law enforcement watch a shitty but otherwise harmless lowlife run off into the night than take the change of accidentally killing him over a stupid vehicle emissions sticker.
JFC, nobody is saying he deserved it.

FACT: Had he not run, he would probably be alive.

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Old 03-25-2015, 02:31 PM   #4
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I just don't think he deserved to be shot at for that. I'd rather law enforcement watch a shitty but otherwise harmless lowlife run off into the night than take the change of accidentally killing him over a stupid vehicle emissions sticker.
Again, no one said he deserved to be shot.

Fact is, he took off, so isn't that probable cause for the officer to chase?
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:43 PM   #5
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I just don't think he deserved to be shot at for that. I'd rather law enforcement watch a shitty but otherwise harmless lowlife run off into the night than take the change of accidentally killing him over a stupid vehicle emissions sticker.
I'm not saying he deserved it by any means, but I have no sympathy for him nor will I be outraged if the cop doesn't do life in prison over this.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:54 PM   #6
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I'm not saying he deserved it by any means, but I have no sympathy for him nor will I be outraged if the cop doesn't do life in prison over this.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:34 PM   #7
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It's so silly to say, "The guy has some responsibility, too." IMO.

If I walk out of the door, and a bird flies into my face, causing me to fall down the stairs, at the bottom of which I try to get up, slip on a banana peel, slide down the driveway into traffic, dodge all the cars, only to fall over the curb across the street into a hot dog cart, falling face first into the scalding hot water, which eventually infects a razor cut I had, which kills me, I only have slightly less responsibility for my death than this guy.

Unless you argue that we should reasonably expect that all cops are violent animals who will shoot at anything running, then (while a moron) this guy should have had no expectation that by running he would be shot.

Now... I would argue that all cops aren't violent animals, who are going to fire their guns at anyone who is running. I would argue that this guy, who was (according to the story) showing no aggression, had every reason to believe he would be caught and arrested. But that he had some responsibility for his shooting? I don't think that he did, to any significant level.
I may walk out my front door every day, but I don't flee the cops every day. A bit disingenuous trying to compare the two.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:44 PM   #8
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I may walk out my front door every day, but I don't flee the cops every day. A bit disingenuous trying to compare the two.
I'm only comparing the two in order to illustrate that your responsibility only goes so far as your expectations of cause/effect. You can reasonably expect things to follow other things...

Do drugs= You may OD
Flunk out of school= Poor job
Ask for directions in East St Louis= No tires
Eat Asparagus= stinky pee

But I don't think you do (or reasonably should) expect Flee from the cops= Shot to death. I don't think it should even come close to being an expectation.

So yeah, in a broad sense, every decision we make is responsible for everything that happens, as in my story you quoted. But I don't think it's a terribly meaningful or interesting thing to bring up in this particular case, unless you are trying to (in the tiniest of ways) claim that the cop wasn't completely wrong.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:54 PM   #9
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"'The emissions sticker on David Kassick's car was expired.

That's what first caught the attention of Lisa Mearkle, a police officer in Hummelstown Borough, Pennsylvania"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/us/pen...icer-arrested/
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:00 PM   #10
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"'The emissions sticker on David Kassick's car was expired.

That's what first caught the attention of Lisa Mearkle, a police officer in Hummelstown Borough, Pennsylvania"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/us/pen...icer-arrested/
I'm not even sure that warrants the use of a taser.

If he never ran in the first place, however...
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:06 PM   #11
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I'm not even sure that warrants the use of a taser.

If he never ran in the first place, however...
He freaked out, lost it apparently

Not sure why the cop chased him in the first place. Maybe she thought the car was stolen or something.
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He freaked out, lost it apparently

Not sure why the cop chased him in the first place. Maybe she thought the car was stolen or something.
Not sure why the cop chased him?

Are you ****ing serious right now.
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Not sure why the cop chased him?

Are you ****ing serious right now.
Once they run....you have to back off.
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Where in the **** are all these people screaming "HE RAN!! SHOOT HIM IN THE BACK!"?
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The cop overacted, but the world has one less idiot out there breathing my air.
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