Would you rather be the Jets or the Chiefs this year?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Chiefs will have the only young franchise QB in the division after the draft this year. Gives me a chubby.

[CLX]

Originally Posted by PGM

Chiefs will have the only young franchise QB in the division after the draft this year. Gives me a chubby.

Do you honestly think he will get to start regardless of what other QB's we have on the roster? The Chiefs history says he will sit, and sit, and sit, and sit and then possibly get a shot.

[whoman69]

Jets problem is a lack of talent across the team. They also have a QB locked in long term that is probably not a long term solution. Chiefs lack mostly at the QB spot. Both franchises show why they haven't been to the Super Bowl since the 60s.

[CLX]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Jets problem is a lack of talent across the team. They also have a QB locked in long term that is probably not a long term solution. Chiefs lack mostly at the QB spot. Both franchises show why they haven't been to the Super Bowl since the 60s.

You can't be serious in saying that the Chiefs lack mostly at QB! There is a systemic problem in KC starting with the owner and his seemingly lack of interest of building a great team as his father did, even at that Lamar seemed to be lax during the 70's and 80's. He brought in Peterson and Schottenheimer in '88 or ''89 and began a resurgence of the team, but it seemed to drop away when Marty left. Vermeil had a great offense but no defense. Edwards didn't know how to play to win the game.

I don't have the answer, I don't think anyone does, but it has to start somewhere. Sending Pioli walking would be a start. Getting proven leadership in the HC and coordinator positions. Getting a higher quality of players than we've had. Some were good but look like they played down to the level of the rest of the teams.

I don't think the drafts from year to year actually attempted to build on the drafts they had the previous years.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by CLX

You can't be serious in saying that the Chiefs lack mostly at QB! There is a systemic problem in KC starting with the owner and his seemingly lack of interest of building a great team as his father did, even at that Lamar seemed to be lax during the 70's and 80's. He brought in Peterson and Schottenheimer in '88 or ''89 and began a resurgence of the team, but it seemed to drop away when Marty left. Vermeil had a great offense but no defense. Edwards didn't know how to play to win the game.

I don't have the answer, I don't think anyone does, but it has to start somewhere. Sending Pioli walking would be a start. Getting proven leadership in the HC and coordinator positions. Getting a higher quality of players than we've had. Some were good but look like they played down to the level of the rest of the teams.

I don't think the drafts from year to year actually attempted to build on the drafts they had the previous years.

We have concerns all over the place, that's quite true.

Strategically, our issues have Dr. Evil's greasy fingerprints all over them. Our insane draft decisions, Coswell under center forever and ever, moronic coaching hires, idiotic FA moves and reversals, laughable league reputation, fan hatred, paranoia, lies, and videotape ... they are all severe problems that won't go away until he does.

However, our performance on the field (or lack, thereof) is due to one thing, and one thing only; poor coaching.

We've seen what was essentially this same group of guys play much, much better against good competition. This season, we have players consistently out of position, obviously confused, unmotivated, undisciplined, and "playing" with what appears to be an almost total lack of emotion and desire.

When you see a group of players decline this quickly and this far, you don't need a visitor from Nibiru to tell you what time it is.

Roleo is the worst coach I have ever witnessed. Why the Good Lord arranged the fates so that that Battle Toad wound up coaching the team I've followed my entire life, I do not know. But he is bad enough to make a distraught fan pine for Herm ... and that's pretty damn bad.

FAX

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FAX

We have concerns all over the place, that's quite true.

Strategically, our issues have Dr. Evil's greasy fingerprints all over them. Our insane draft decisions, Coswell under center forever and ever, moronic coaching hires, idiotic FA moves and reversals, laughable league reputation, fan hatred, paranoia, lies, and videotape ... they are all severe problems that won't go away until he does.

However, our performance on the field (or lack, thereof) is due to one thing, and one thing only; poor coaching.

We've seen what was essentially this same group of guys play much, much better against good competition. This season, we have players consistently out of position, obviously confused, unmotivated, undisciplined, and "playing" with what appears to be an almost total lack of emotion and desire.

When you see a group of players decline this quickly and this far, you don't need a visitor from Nibiru to tell you what time it is.

Roleo is the worst coach I have ever witnessed. Why the Good Lord arranged the fates so that that Battle Toad wound up coaching the team I've followed my entire life, I do not know. But he is bad enough to make a distraught fan pine for Herm ... and that's pretty damn bad.

FAX

This. Behind a backup starting qb, the chiefs were a borderline playoff team at the end of last year despite having a ton of cap space.

I agree it's a systemic problem, but other than qb, it's not a talent problem. Guess what, a new management and coaching staff can easily happen. The qb will be tough to fill, but we will have a prime drafting spot to pick our new guy. Those three big changes will happen. Now just imagine the team we had with Kyle orton, and replace orton with geno smith. Now add in Eric berry, moeaki, Winston, boss (I don't want people to critique these guys, just acknowledge they are better than piscitelli, Fece Richardson, jake o'connell, and washed out Kelly Gregg). Hopefully an improved nose tackle. You can't possibly tell me that sounds like a team that can't compete.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This. Behind a backup starting qb, the chiefs were a borderline playoff team at the end of last year despite having a ton of cap space.

I agree it's a systemic problem, but other than qb, it's not a talent problem. Guess what, a new management and coaching staff can easily happen. The qb will be tough to fill, but we will have a prime drafting spot to pick our new guy. Those three big changes will happen. Now just imagine the team we had with Kyle orton, and replace orton with geno smith. Now add in Eric berry, moeaki, Winston, boss (I don't want people to critique these guys, just acknowledge they are better than piscitelli, Fece Richardson, jake o'connell, and washed out Kelly Gregg). Hopefully an improved nose tackle. You can't possibly tell me that sounds like a team that can't compete.

Of course they can compete.

They're going to need headrests to prevent whiplash, though. Assuming we get a coach in here who actually knows how to do the job, the culture shock is going to feel like an earthquake. Right now, they think accountability means never taking the last donut off the plate.

FAX

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by CLX

You can't be serious in saying that the Chiefs lack mostly at QB! There is a systemic problem in KC starting with the owner and his seemingly lack of interest of building a great team as his father did, even at that Lamar seemed to be lax during the 70's and 80's. He brought in Peterson and Schottenheimer in '88 or ''89 and began a resurgence of the team, but it seemed to drop away when Marty left. Vermeil had a great offense but no defense. Edwards didn't know how to play to win the game.

I don't have the answer, I don't think anyone does, but it has to start somewhere. Sending Pioli walking would be a start. Getting proven leadership in the HC and coordinator positions. Getting a higher quality of players than we've had. Some were good but look like they played down to the level of the rest of the teams.

I don't think the drafts from year to year actually attempted to build on the drafts they had the previous years.

This team has quite a few Pro Bowl talents. I can't say how much Lamar had a hand in things especially since we took a long stretch where we were not a competitive team. I do think Lamar was interested in winning while Clark is interested in the team being profitable.

The Jets on the other hand have an owner who wants to be thought of as a genius. Bringing in Tebow was a horrible decision and entirely owner based. We have a hell of alot more talent than the Jets. As bad as Sanchez is, he is a mile ahead of Cassel. Who does he have as weapons? His O-line is atrocious and the defense has been allowed to get old.

The Chiefs may be sitting on the bottom, but they at least have help coming once Pioli is gone. The Jets cupboard is bare.

[cyborgtable]

Originally Posted by whoman69

This team has quite a few Pro Bowl talents. I can't say how much Lamar had a hand in things especially since we took a long stretch where we were not a competitive team. I do think Lamar was interested in winning while Clark is interested in the team being profitable.

The Jets on the other hand have an owner who wants to be thought of as a genius. Bringing in Tebow was a horrible decision and entirely owner based. We have a hell of alot more talent than the Jets. As bad as Sanchez is, he is a mile ahead of Cassel. Who does he have as weapons? His O-line is atrocious and the defense has been allowed to get old.

The Chiefs may be sitting on the bottom, but they at least have help coming once Pioli is gone. The Jets cupboard is bare.

I hate to agree with this. The Chiefs have better talent at almost every position

QB - equal
RB - chiefs
WR - chiefs but I think its close
O-Line - chiefs
D-line - jets
Linebacker - chiefs
Corner - jets
Safety - chiefs, both our starters are in 1 year contracts
Special Teams - chiefs

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by cyborgtable

I hate to agree with this. The Chiefs have better talent at almost every position

QB - equal
RB - chiefs
WR - chiefs but I think its close
O-Line - chiefs
D-line - jets
Linebacker - chiefs
Corner - jets
Safety - chiefs, both our starters are in 1 year contracts
Special Teams - chiefs

Our special teams are better than someone?

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by cyborgtable

I hate to agree with this. The Chiefs have better talent at almost every position

QB - equal
RB - chiefs
WR - chiefs but I think its close
O-Line - chiefs
D-line - jets
Linebacker - chiefs
Corner - jets
Safety - chiefs, both our starters are in 1 year contracts
Special Teams - chiefs

At places where the Jets are below us, they have nothing. They have to rebuild their whole OL except Dbrick. They have one prospect WR. They have Sanchez or bust unless someone like Romo comes available.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by CLX

Do you honestly think he will get to start regardless of what other QB's we have on the roster? The Chiefs history says he will sit, and sit, and sit, and sit and then possibly get a shot.

Chiefs history is also not filled with many top 3 overall QB's. You can't use Peterson and Pioli as any test on what a new GM would do in KC. Not unless you think the Hunt's are making the decision or philosophies on when to start a QB.

Its like saying that a new couple moving into a house won't take care of their lawn because the previous 2 tenants didn't.

[CLX]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Chiefs history is also not filled with many top 3 overall QB's. You can't use Peterson and Pioli as any test on what a new GM would do in KC. Not unless you think the Hunt's are making the decision or philosophies on when to start a QB.

Its like saying that a new couple moving into a house won't take care of their lawn because the previous 2 tenants didn't.

I'll call Arrowhead personally and apologize to Clark if the Chiefs draft a QB and start him as a rookie. That call will never have to be paid though.