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Old 11-21-2012, 07:25 PM   #1
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He was the best GM to ever GM compared to the clown car driver we have now.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #2
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Not like Carl was a good GM Folks.
Yes, actually he was. He was a really ****ing good GM, but he should have been fired after the '98 season.

Pioli isn't worthy of drying the sweat from '93 Peterson's nut sack.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:14 PM   #3
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Yes, actually he was. He was a really ****ing good GM, but he should have been fired after the '98 season.

Pioli isn't worthy of drying the sweat from '93 Peterson's nut sack.
No GM can be known as "really ****ing good" without drafting a first round quarterback in 20 years.

Sorry.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:16 PM   #4
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No GM can be known as "really ****ing good" without drafting a first round quarterback in 20 years.

Sorry.
Yeah, well this is wrong.

Peterson built Arrowhead, drafted a few HOFers, and turned the Chiefs into one of the best franchises of the 90s; he was really ****ing good at his job, but he needed to leave after '98.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:45 PM   #5
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Yeah, well this is wrong.

Peterson built Arrowhead, drafted a few HOFers, and turned the Chiefs into one of the best franchises of the 90s; he was really ****ing good at his job, but he needed to leave after '98.
He hired Marty and drafted DT...4 years later, he drafted a HOF guard...4 years later he traded up from 18th to 13th overall to draft a HOF TE.

Credit given where due.

Calling him a great GM for that isnt true when he only won 3 playoff games in 20 years and never drafted a franchise quarterback the whole time.

Agree to disagree.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:00 PM   #6
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Yeah, well this is wrong.

Peterson built Arrowhead, drafted a few HOFers, and turned the Chiefs into one of the best franchises of the 90s; he was really ****ing good at his job, but he needed to leave after '98.
I didn't have a problem with him until he picked Grbac over Gannon and started churning out the Rufus columns. He was great until the NFL came up with newfangled rules like free agency and salary cap.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:05 PM   #7
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:37 PM   #8
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Not like Carl was a good GM Folks.
No. This is as bad as the push to have Marty come back.

We need to remember there were days when we all were calling for their heads just as much as we are Pioli and RAC now. Short memories.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:39 PM   #9
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No. This is as bad as the push to have Marty come back.

We need to remember there were days when we all were calling for their heads just as much as we are Pioli and RAC now. Short memories.
No one that I knew of was calling for Marty's head, even after the 1998 season.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:48 PM   #10
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No one that I knew of was calling for Marty's head, even after the 1998 season.
I was, I could see he was just too stubborn to get over the hump.

And that would be the QB hump. Up till 98 I was on board though
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:50 PM   #11
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I was, I could see he was just too stubborn to get over the hump.

And that would be the QB hump. Up till 98 I was on board though
To me, it was unthinkable. I remember listening to press conference in my office at Paramount on computer speakers thinking "What the **** now?".

Unfortunately, the "now" was Gunther Cunningham.
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No one that I knew of was calling for Marty's head, even after the 1998 season.
Saying that he should have left in '98 is speaking in hindsight, no question. But the Gunther hiring and firing was pathetic, and Vermeil + Carl were incredibly toxic and destructive.

If '98 wasn't the year, it sure as hell was when Gun was fired, but that would have required proactive ownership.
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Saying that he should have left in '98 is speaking in hindsight, no question. But the Gunther hiring and firing was pathetic, and Vermeil + Carl were incredibly toxic and destructive.

If '98 wasn't the year, it sure as hell was when Gun was fired, but that would have required proactive ownership.
I've voiced my displeasure and disgust over the Vemeil years, so there's no reason for me to go there. But with that said, I understand why he stayed after Marty left. He'd only hired one coach during his tenure to that point, so I'm sure he felt he could keep it going.

I also understand why he fired Gunther when Vermeil, his best friend and mentor, decided he wanted to coach again. But the bottom line, to me, is that Carl should have left when Vermeil called it quits.

He seriously tarnished his reputation by not leaving and hiring Herm. If he had left after the 2005, I'm sure his tenure would be looked upon far more favorably.
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Pioli is an unmittigated disaster when Carl freaking Peterson blasts you like that.
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Yeah, it's nice and nostalgic that Peterson and Lamar cared about the fans so much.

Really can't say this makes me pine for him in spite of Pioli's shit hole he's constructed.
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