Offense/Defense (Philosophy based)

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Sorter

We've done several "If you were the GM/HC etc." threads here. However, I'm curious to see what kind of base offensive or defensive philosophies you would choose to try and design the Chiefs with. I know a majority will and should chose to utilize a 1-ga principle defensively but am curious as to the other aspects.

Personally, I would hire coaches to install a 1-gap Phillips based 3-4. While I love the fire-zone philosophies, I think that they require even more athletic players than we have currently to run at an elite level constantly and would prefer man-coverage rather than zone on downs/scenarios that dictate a pass. In the future, I would love to be able to incorporate these concepts once personnel has been adjusted accordingly.

Offensively, it would depend on the QB we draft. If Barkley, I'm hiring an OC who is based in the WCO and a HC that understands (generally) those philosophies, even if it is a defensive minded coach. Additionally, I would want him to emphasize YAC and back shoulder throws consistently.

If Smith or Wilson, I would likely hire someone who continues with a zone-based blocking system (as I feel it fits our smaller, athletic OL better and our backs in Charles/Cyrus better in a 1-cut philosophy). The OC would also utilize PA consistently (via bootlegs off of our stretch play) and would encourage a deeper approach in terms of route concepts, specifically attacking the seams off of motion with our WRs/TEs and and the corners of the field (corners/deep outs, back shoulder throws).


I'm curious to see what you all would like to have as there are several talented minds here, IMO.

They don't strictly play 2-gap every play. They mix in 1-gap over/under philosophies as well as fire-zone. I personally don't think they are aggressive enough and should blitz more often. Dropping guys like Belcher and Houston into zone coverage is a huge mistake. Shit, I've seen them dropping Tamba into coverage and my mind is blown.

On offense we just need a more consistent QB. 90% of our runs are outside zone, and just this past game we started to really run the waggle off of it. The pick in overtime was Cassel proving he can't make reads. That play was a classic WCO curl/flat, and he stared down the curl the whole time. If you watch the replay he could have hit the flat for 4+, which is what you take with the WCO. Short passes = long hand off, which is what you want on something like 2nd and 6 (which I think it was).

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

They don't strictly play 2-gap every play. They mix in 1-gap over/under philosophies as well as fire-zone. I personally don't think they are aggressive enough and should blitz more often. Dropping guys like Belcher and Houston into zone coverage is a huge mistake. Shit, I've seen them dropping Tamba into coverage and my mind is blown.

On offense we just need a more consistent QB. 90% of our runs are outside zone, and just this past game we started to really run the waggle off of it. The pick in overtime was Cassel proving he can't make reads. That play was a classic WCO curl/flat, and he stared down the curl the whole time. If you watch the replay he could have hit the flat for 4+, which is what you take with the WCO. Short passes = long hand off, which is what you want on something like 2nd and 6 (which I think it was).

Some of us old-timers remember Dan Saleamua dropping back in coverage. Now that was messed up.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Some of us old-timers remember Dan Saleamua dropping back in coverage. Now that was messed up.

shit, I remember him getting a pick or two, didn't he even return one for a TD??

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8;9117762[B

]They don't strictly play 2-gap every play. They mix in 1-gap over/under philosophies as well as fire-zone. [/B]I personally don't think they are aggressive enough and should blitz more often. Dropping guys like Belcher and Houston into zone coverage is a huge mistake. Shit, I've seen them dropping Tamba into coverage and my mind is blown.

Actually, the Chiefs are one of the few teams that rarely switch to an over/under in their base front. Additionally, fire-zone concepts are not typically used. When Crennel does decide to send more than 4, we are typically playing man-coverage.

Everything else though I agree with.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Actually, the Chiefs are one of the few teams that rarely switch to an over/under in their base front. Additionally, fire-zone concepts are not typically used. When Crennel does decide to send more than 4, we are typically playing man-coverage.

Everything else though I agree with.

Honest question...

How in the blue hell did a girl your age ever become so football intelligent?

Its been bugging the shit out of me for days, i've never seen a girl with such informed takes.

You need to apply for a pr job with some college or pro team.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by scott free

Honest question...

How in the blue hell did a girl your age ever become so football intelligent?

Its been bugging the shit out of me for days, i've never seen a girl with such informed takes.

You need to apply for a pr job with some college or pro team.

WTF. Why just PR? You're a sexist asshole. You don't think personnel would be a good fit?

This kind of close-minded thinking is exactly why the Chiefs suck.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Sorter

WTF. Why just PR? You're a sexist asshole. You don't think personnel would be a good fit?

This kind of close-minded thinking is exactly why the Chiefs suck.

I Honestly Swear on my Grandfather, that exact thought hit my mind about 1 minute after that post.

My bad, you go!

[chiefzilla1501]

I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but I want to run an old-school Whisenhunt offense. It's basically run-heavy, dink and dunk, but take a lot of shots downfield. I think it's a great system to develop a young pocket QB. In 2-3 years, I then want to open that offense up. Lots of young guys developed in this kind of system. Matt Ryan, Flacco, Big Ben, Brady, Eli... they didn't begin as pass-first offenses. Then open up the offense in 2-3 years when the QB is settled.

On defense, it has to be a 1-gap. I'd love to extend Dorsey a year and see if he can adapt. I'd cut Tyson Jackson as he's not 1-gap material. I still like Gus Bradley/Pete Carroll's "under" scheme in Seattle and think it would be a pretty easy transition. Also really like Horton's 3-4 in Arizona. And anybody who thinks Poe should move away from NT is crazy. Poe's value is that he could one day be a nose tackle you never have to take off the field. That's a great player to have in a world where your NTs are 2-down guys who get destroyed when offenses go no-huddle.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but I want to run an old-school Whisenhunt offense. It's basically run-heavy, dink and dunk, but take a lot of shots downfield. I think it's a great system to develop a young pocket QB. In 2-3 years, I then want to open that offense up. Lots of young guys developed in this kind of system. Matt Ryan, Flacco, Big Ben, Brady, Eli... they didn't begin as pass-first offenses. Then open up the offense in 2-3 years when the QB is settled.

On defense, it has to be a 1-gap. I'd love to extend Dorsey a year and see if he can adapt. I'd cut Tyson Jackson as he's not 1-gap material. I still like Gus Bradley/Pete Carroll's "under" scheme in Seattle and think it would be a pretty easy transition. Also really like Horton's 3-4 in Arizona. And anybody who thinks Poe should move away from NT is crazy. Poe's value is that he could one day be a nose tackle you never have to take off the field. That's a great player to have in a world where your NTs are 2-down guys who get destroyed when offenses go no-huddle.

Dorsey ain't going to cut it in a 3-4.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'd love to extend Dorsey a year and see if he can adapt.

Dorsey as displayed throughout his career that he can't provide a pass rush on sub packages in the 3-tech or in a shaded 1. He has played both at different times throughout his tenure here. I don't think he needs to stay.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by scott free

I Honestly Swear on my Grandfather, that exact thought hit my mind about 1 minute after that post.

My bad, you go!

I seriously thought he was a girl for the first couple of weeks I was here. It's the gifs. I mean yesterday he posted James Vanderbeak and Tom Cruise gifs. What are you supposed to think?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

I seriously thought he was a girl for the first couple of weeks I was here. It's the gifs. I mean yesterday he posted James Vanderbeak and Tom Cruise gifs. What are you supposed to think?

That you are an idiot that can't understand what he reads...
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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by scott free

Honest question...

How in the blue hell did a girl your age ever become so football intelligent?

Its been bugging the shit out of me for days, i've never seen a girl with such informed takes.

You need to apply for a pr job with some college or pro team.

her dad coached the titans before denzel
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