Anybody still think Haley shouldn't have been fired?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

So, Harbaugh isn't just an offensive minded guy along with their GM? You acknowledge that he id play a role in the drafting/acquisition of said talent?

Well I don't know for sure, but yes, I think the philosophy is to build a team around that defense. But I said earlier JH is having an effect on the whole team like Haley did? I mean he knows a lot more than just offense, like Haley does.

so, where are you taking us here?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Well I don't know for sure, but yes, I think the philosophy is to build a team around that defense. But I said earlier JH is having an effect on the whole team like Haley did? I mean he knows a lot more than just offense, like Haley does.

so, where are you taking us here?

I think that Jim has shown a desire through the most recent offseason a desire to buid an offense that doesn't rely solely on it's D to win games, ala the SB Ravens or the Jets w/ Sanchez.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I think that Jim has shown a desire through the most recent offseason a desire to buid an offense that doesn't rely solely on it's D to win games, ala the SB Ravens or the Jets w/ Sanchez.

well, the SB Ravens were considered to rival the best defensive team in the history of NFL -- the '85 Bears, so I think those teams did and do rely mostly on their defense and more to my point, the team strategy is geared towards letting the defense win games instead of trying to turn Alex Smith, Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon into Joe Montana.

So, there is where we disagree with this, is that I think those teams are/were designed around their fierce defenses. But of course, JH is going to get those guys on offense playing better than say, Mike Singletary did.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

so, where are you taking us here?

Man can you not see the picture that he lead you to paint?
Haley with a good GM had a good chance of doing what Harbaugh and the 9ers GM has done for the 9ers.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Man can you not see the picture that he lead you to paint?
Haley with a good GM had a good chance of doing what Harbaugh and the 9ers GM has done for the 9ers.

No, the Chiefs do not/did not have what the niners had/have. that is defense and the Chiefs have a long history of poor defense.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

No, the Chiefs do not/did not have what the niners had/have. that is defense and the Chiefs have a long history of poor defense.

Very similar in terms of defensive talent, actually. All Pro ILB, good safety, legit pass rusher (ours at OLB, theirs being J. Smith).

Similar offensively as well. Poor QB play, great RB, above average receiver (Bowe/Crabtree), talent on the OL.

Some differences for sure but this team structurally isn't that much different than the team Harbaugh got.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Very similar in terms of defensive talent, actually. All Pro ILB, good safety, legit pass rusher (ours at OLB, theirs being J. Smith).

Similar offensively as well. Poor QB play, great RB, above average receiver (Bowe/Crabtree), talent on the OL.

Some differences for sure but this team structurally isn't that much different than the team Harbaugh got.

Well, I would say these teams are light years apart. The niners have been rebuilding since Mooch left, they are way ahead of the Chiefs and it is only because CP did not want to rebuild, but instead signed a bunch of FA that quickly deteriorated.

The niners are way ahead of the Chiefs, player wise imo.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Well, I would say these teams are light years apart. The niners have been rebuilding since Mooch left, they are way ahead of the Chiefs and it is only because CP did not want to rebuild, but instead signed a bunch of FA that quickly deteriorated.

The niners are way ahead of the Chiefs, player wise imo.

Not 2 years ago. Currently, yes via excellent drafting and FA acquisitions.

In 2010, most would agree that our rosters were nearly identical in terms of talent and some would give us the edge.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Not 2 years ago. Currently, yes via excellent drafting and FA acquisitions.

In 2010, most would agree that our rosters were nearly identical in terms of talent and some would give us the edge.

the niners are a better football team, have been since 2007.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Very similar in terms of defensive talent, actually. All Pro ILB, good safety, legit pass rusher (ours at OLB, theirs being J. Smith).

Similar offensively as well. Poor QB play, great RB, above average receiver (Bowe/Crabtree), talent on the OL.

Some differences for sure but this team structurally isn't that much different than the team Harbaugh got.

The same thing that happened when Harbaugh got there and transformed Alex Smith happened during that 3 game stretch when Kyle Orton played QB for us in late 2011.

That same type of energy explosion would absolutely happen if this team drafts Geno Smith.

I really hope Pioli is fired so we have a chance of drafting him.

He would be a perfect fit.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The same thing that happened when Harbaugh got there and transformed Alex Smith happened during that 3 game stretch when Kyle Orton played QB for us in late 2011.

That same type of energy explosion would absolutely happen if this team drafts Geno Smith.

I really hope Pioli is fired so we have a chance of drafting him.

He would be a perfect fit.

Stop trying to post logic here. That shit doesn't fly.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

No, the Chiefs do not/did not have what the niners had/have. that is defense and the Chiefs have a long history of poor defense.

You should be embarrassed for the posts you have submitted to this site since the day you got here.

Seriously.

The ONLY thing you have EVER said that was worth a shit was saying that Cassel was still trying to throw a football like a baseball and its not like you were the first one to say that.

You are just another dumbass that refuses to listen and learn and instead think you know everything when, if reality, you dont know shit.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You should be embarrassed for the posts you have submitted to this site since the day you got here.

Seriously.

The ONLY thing you have EVER said that was worth a shit was saying that Cassel was still trying to throw a football like a baseball and its not like you were the first one to say that.

You are just another dumbass that refuses to listen and learn and instead think you know everything when, if reality, you dont know shit.

meh. I have always thought you had thicker skin, but hey, I was wrong about this.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

No, the Chiefs do not/did not have what the niners had/have. that is defense and the Chiefs have a long history of poor defense.

No kidding, I hate the comparison. Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, and Frank Gore are elite leaders. They aren't just great players.

I think the difference between the kids and the adults on CP is that the adults appreciate leadership. I think they understand it is a must to be successful.

The Chiefs have no leadership period. They are nothing like San Francisco was. Those leaders put out tons of fires in San Francisco.