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Old 07-22-2012, 03:09 PM   #1
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I dont get the whole argument defending Haley because he didn't have a top 5 QB in KC.

He was a terrible coach. The end. Having a terrible QB doesn't excuse the lack of preparedness of the entire team.
Because the same people who screamed for 5 years that this team is worthless without a franchise QB are now the ones who say Haley is a lousy coach because he couldn't win without one.

I don't know if Haley was going to be a good coach or a great coach. I do know that he deserved better than a front office stubbornly clinging to a bad QB. And he deserved better than the petty micromanagement and head games that Pioli was pushing on him.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:10 PM   #2
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Because the same people who screamed for 5 years that this team is worthless without a franchise QB are now the ones who say Haley is a lousy coach because he couldn't win without one.

I don't know if Haley was going to be a good coach or a great coach. I do know that he deserved better than a front office stubbornly clinging to a bad QB. And he deserved better than the petty micromanagement and head games that Pioli was pushing on him.
I'd take Cassel over Palko but maybe thats just me.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:11 PM   #3
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I'd take Cassel over Palko but maybe thats just me.
And who's damn fault was that? Last time I checked, Pioli was the guy who had the power to bring somebody else in.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:12 PM   #4
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And who's damn fault was that? Last time I checked, Pioli was the guy who had the power to bring somebody else in.
Pretty sure Kyle Orton was on the team.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:14 PM   #5
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Pretty sure Kyle Orton was on the team.
Oh right, THAT bullshit argument.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:14 PM   #6
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Oh right, THAT bullshit argument.
Do explain.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:18 PM   #7
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Do explain.
We're talking about one half of a game. Palko started over Orton. Haley made the QB switch in the second quarter. Orton dislocates a finger on the first play.

I'm not going to fault a guy because he doesn't want to put a guy with a serious injury on the field. And I'm not going to fault him if he didn't want to throw him into the fire a la Carson Palmer. I thought Orton should have started against Chicago. He didn't, but that's only one half of a game.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:14 PM   #8
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Pretty sure Kyle Orton was on the team.
Yeah, he should have started in Chicago.
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Yeah, he should have started in Chicago.
I would have started him against Pittsburgh or at least brought him in in the 2nd half. A half assed offense with Orton > a full playbook with Palko.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:19 PM   #10
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I would have started him against Pittsburgh or at least brought him in in the 2nd half. A half assed offense with Orton > a full playbook with Palko.
Orton had only been with the team for about 2 days. He was signed 4 days before and took personal leave after he was signed.

This isn't the argument you want to use.
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Because the same people who screamed for 5 years that this team is worthless without a franchise QB are now the ones who say Haley is a lousy coach because he couldn't win without one.

I don't know if Haley was going to be a good coach or a great coach. I do know that he deserved better than a front office stubbornly clinging to a bad QB. And he deserved better than the petty micromanagement and head games that Pioli was pushing on him.
No, I think Haley was horrendous b/c he was one of the worse game day coaches that I've seen in a long time. Completely and hopelessly lost on Sundays, and this quality and the suck of Cassel are mutually exclusive.
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No, I think Haley was horrendous b/c he was one of the worse game day coaches that I've seen in a long time. Completely and hopelessly lost on Sundays, and this quality and the suck of Cassel are mutually exclusive.
Agree to disagree. If you think Haley was one of the worst, then you're in for a real treat with Romeo. Haley made a lot of dumb choices, but it seemed to me that he took a lot of big risks when he knew his team wasn't good enough to win without a little bit of luck. When the team was competitive, we didn't see nearly as many of those gaffes.

What's more important to me is that this was the most disciplined team we've seen in some time, and almost every player improved under his watch. Markedly. Haley made quite a few dumb mistakes, but I also know that he was crippled by horrendously micromanaged decisions that came from above him. Again, I don't know if he was a good or bad coach with better management up top. But one can't deny that those decisions didn't necessarily give him the fairest shot to prove it.
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Agree to disagree. If you think Haley was one of the worst, then you're in for a real treat with Romeo. Haley made a lot of dumb choices, but it seemed to me that he took a lot of big risks when he knew his team wasn't good enough to win without a little bit of luck. When the team was competitive, we didn't see nearly as many of those gaffes.

What's more important to me is that this was the most disciplined team we've seen in some time, and almost every player improved under his watch. Markedly. Haley made quite a few dumb mistakes, but I also know that he was crippled by horrendously micromanaged decisions that came from above him. Again, I don't know if he was a good or bad coach with better management up top. But one can't deny that those decisions didn't necessarily give him the fairest shot to prove it.
Don't disagree with that statement, and I will concede that I could be underselling the bullshit of Pioli.
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Agree to disagree. If you think Haley was one of the worst, then you're in for a real treat with Romeo.
Sure would put a final, embarrassing stamp on Pioli's failed regime if Romeo turned out to be worse than Haley.
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Agree to disagree. If you think Haley was one of the worst, then you're in for a real treat with Romeo.
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