Football Adrian Peterson Indicted - Page 66

**doomy3** · 09-12-2014, 03:17 PM

Reckless/negligent injury to a child. Indicted.

This league may not be able to sustain too many more of these black eyes. It's a mess.

**Rausch** · 09-15-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Holy shit.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-son/15696169/

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Nelson Peterson received a call from school officials after Adrian had been disruptive in class. The father waited for the two boys near the school parking lot.

"His dad asked what happened, and Adrian told him," Cummings said. The elder Peterson then removed his belt and whipped Adrian in front of more than 20 students, according to Cummings.

"We still talk about it to this day," Cummings said. "My dad was tough, but his dad was real tough."

"When Adrian showed out or was bad, he got a whupping," his uncle, Greg Peterson told Peter.

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Cummings says he and Adrian Peterson got whipped several times by the football team's defensive coordinator, Booker Bowie, with a solid-oak paddle that measured about 18 inches by 6 inches and hung on a nail in the coaches' office.

"You would bend over and brace yourself and get however many licks had been assigned for you," Cummings says. "Sometimes it would leave a bruise on the buttocks or just a red mark. It was not a pleasant feeling. You were not able to sit for a few hours."

Bowie, now retired, says he could not remember paddling Adrian Peterson but it may have happened "once or twice."

Bowie chuckles and says paddling amounts to "tough love" — and he thinks that's what motivated Peterson when Peterson whipped his 4-year-old son in an incident that led to his indictment.

Sick **** probably doesn't see it as wrong because he's been around sick ****s most his life...

**BigRedChief** · 09-15-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Adrian Peterson investigated for another abuse case should open the door for enforcement agencies to screen all of his children for all types of abuse.

Just my opinion.

Its a good assumption. Also need to make sure the mothers wern't tolerating it so as to not lose the gravy train meal ticket. If you knowingly allow your child to be abused, your as guilty as the abuser.

**notorious** · 09-15-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

well I think we can pretty logically assume this wasn't the first time Peterson beat one of his children...so I'm sure plenty of them will come out ESPECIALLY if it means the mother's have a case to get more $$$

They better get their money now, because the gravy train is about to get shut down.

cosmo20002 · 09-15-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

well I'm trying not to fall for that trap this time around...just putting the trolls on ignore

You being an idiot is a "trap"...OK

**Dylan** · 09-15-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

If two doctors who had the best opportunity to closely assess the injuries and have determined it to be abuse, isn't it blind and idiotic arrogance of the highest order to defend the aggressor?

Absolutely...

**BigRedChief** · 09-15-2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-son/15696169/

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Sick **** probably doesn't see it as wrong because he's been around sick ****s most his life...

WTF? No wonder he considers it normal. But thats not an excuse.

I got spanked in school with a paddle. Got my ass kicked by many things in the hands of the old man. I never hit my kid and knew without being told that beating a kid until they bleed is not effective discipline.

**Rausch** · 09-15-2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Hoe could anyone say doing this to a 4 year old kid is acceptable discipline? Google it and look at the pics. Someone who has seen the pics please tell us this is acceptable discipline for a 4 year old.

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I saw the pictures and said I think he went too far, which I suspect is easy to do when you're built like Adrian Peterson. There was nothing requiring medical attention and nothing there that made me think he is a dirtbag and should go to jail.

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I don't think a guy is a scumbag if he takes a switch or a belt to his kids and goes a little far. I may question his effectiveness as a father if he is doing this all the time and question why his kids are cussing around him because they likely learned that from him.

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**BigRedChief** · 09-15-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/sho...le-in-Tx/page7

SUMOFABITCH

that was too easy

**Rausch** · 09-15-2014, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

SUMOFABITCH

that was too easy

I would be all up in that $3it old school Rausch style but I know they'll just ban me immediately, not let new people register at all, or delete the posts.

I've got no time for ChoMo's or abuse to kids...

**Dylan** · 09-15-2014, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Its a good assumption. Also need to make sure the mothers wern't tolerating it so as to not lose the gravy train meal ticket. If you knowingly allow your child to be abused, your as guilty as the abuser.

So true.

Someone has to provide a voice for defenseless young children who need protection.

ModSocks · 09-15-2014, 11:32 PM

I've put off paying attention to this but it's obviously too big to ignore. With that said, uhm...yeah that's child abuse. Clearly child abuse. I am stating the obvious, right? Or is this something that's being debated?

**Rausch** · 09-16-2014, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

With that said, uhm...yeah that's child abuse. Clearly child abuse. I am stating the obvious, right? Or is this something that's being debated?

Not by any sane person...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-16-2014, 06:43 AM

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**BigRedChief** · 09-16-2014, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I've put off paying attention to this but it's obviously too big to ignore. With that said, uhm...yeah that's child abuse. Clearly child abuse. I am stating the obvious, right? Or is this something that's being debated?

Yes, its just disciplining a kid. Whats the problem? Spare the rod, spoil the child. We have always beat our kids and I turned out okay.

Take your pick

Don Corlemahomes · 09-16-2014, 11:34 AM

It's a weird thing, to wanna beat your kid. Kids are small and helpless, and are your own flesh and blood. You'd think the LAST person on earth to hit a child would be that child's own parent, and yet here we are. Beating kids is so common that it's practically a comedic mainstay at this point, from Eddie Murphy's mom throwing a shoe at him to Bill Cosby talking about his dad's fearsome belt. There was a recent episode of Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown set in L.A.'s Koreatown, and all these Korean chefs were laughing about how their parents used to punish them by putting them in stress positions for hours on end: standing and holding books until their arms gave out, etc. Torture, essentially. The chefs were all giggling at the memories, like veterans telling war stories. The beatings were a shared heritage among them.

There is an imaginary line between corporal punishment and abuse, and the story of Adrian Peterson beating the shit out of his kid with a tree branch demonstrates the insane variance in where Americans see that line. Some people applauded Peterson for this.

While others, of course, think he belongs in a jail cell. Peterson said his dad used to beat him with an electrical cord, so he considered his own parenting methods to be HUMANE by comparison, which is insane. But that's what happens in a culture of beating. Beating is a tradition that parents hand down to children, who then hand it down (with great force) to their own children, until an entire family tree of abuse has sprung forth. Given the way abuse can spread, it's a wonder any child makes it out of childhood unscathed. And since it's so common, people will twist their minds around pretty much any excuse to justify this cycle. My parents beat me, and I turned out fine!, etc. The idea of abuse gets buried under comedic euphemisms like "whoopin'." HAHA HIS DAD GAVE HIM A WHOOPIN'. Hilarious.

Now, this is the part where I point out that study after study after study has proven that corporal punishment—even a light spanking—does not work. At all. Corporal punishment makes kids sullen, violent, and angry. I know this because I have dabbled in corporal punishment with my own children, particularly my oldest kid. (Poor first children are always the beta kids: the kids parents **** up with the most before applying better techniques to their younger siblings.) I have tried spanking the kid, and giving the kid a light smack on the head, and threatening the kid. My dad spanked me once or twice as a child. That's it. I don't even remember it, really. And yet I've probably tried more ways of physically correcting my child than he ever did. And the reason I tried all of these methods is because I am a failure.

That's what corporal punishment is. It's a failure. It's a complete breakdown of communication between parent and child. Children are unpredictable, reckless, and occasionally violent. They can drive otherwise rational humans into fits of rage. And I have had moments—many moments, certainly—where I have felt that rage after exhausting every last possible idea to get them to behave: bribery, timeouts, the silent treatment, walking away (they follow you!), distraction, throwing the kids outside (they end up ringing the doorbell a lot), you name it. So I have tried corporal punishment as a final resort, a desperate last stab at closure. That's an easy way for parents to justify it: You forced me to do this, child. Spanking the kid did nothing for me. It only made me realize what a ****ing failure I was. Oh, and the kid still kept yelling.

Spanking and beating your kid teaches your kid to talk with violence. It validates hitting as a legitimate form of communication. Everything is modeled. I have yelled at my kids, and then seen them yell. I have smacked my kid, and then watched her smack someone else. They don't learn to be good from any of it. They don't learn to sit still and practice piano sonatas. All they learn is, Hey, this works! And then they go practice what you just preached. Beating a kid creates an atmosphere of toxicity in a house that lingers forever: One beating leads to the next, and to the next, and to the next, until parents don't even know why they're beating the kid anymore. They just do. Once it is normalized, it takes root. Parents begin to like the habit. Those pictures of Peterson's kid? The violence can get worse... much worse... so much worse it's astonishing.

It takes an endless amount of patience to handle a demanding child, and lots of people don't have that patience. We also happen to live in an age of instant gratification, so the idea of spending 10 full minutes getting a child to calm down is agony. People are hurried, stressed, and selfish. If they try beating a kid and it "works," they'll go right to that well the second the kid acts up. Beating a kid is fast and easy, which is what makes it so terrifying. And no parent ever thinks of him- or herself as a child abuser, no matter how bad the abuse gets. There's also a strange political bent to all this... a "Don't tell me how to raise my kids!" attitude, where people demand the freedom to punish their kids however they like, but their kids are not allowed any freedom FROM that discipline.

You need tolerance, intelligence, and love to make it work. Sometimes, I am able to pull this off. Sometimes, I talk the kid down, and then I go to my wife and I'm like DUDE THEY CALMED DOWN AND I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO YELL GIMME A COOKIE. And sometimes, I fail miserably and start yelling like a crazy person, only to realize what a shitty job I'm doing. I am getting better (I haven't tried spanking a kid in years), but I still have a lot of work to do. I cannot yell. I cannot hit. No parent ever should. No parent or child will ever get anything productive from it. You are not a hippy-dippy asshole when you avoid spanking. That's a cultural stigma that only justifies further abuse, and it's a cheap way of getting out of the legwork necessary to be a better parent: reading books, going to parenting classes, etc. People think they've tried everything when they really haven't.

If it takes sending Adrian Peterson to jail to explain "don't hit your kids" concept to all the junior Bob Knights out there, so be it. Go ahead and look at those pictures again and tell me what good will come from it. Because I don't see it. I don't see how 10 lashings do the trick instead of just one. I don't see how that lesson won't be taught to that child again and again and again, until it isn't a lesson at all. And I don't see how Peterson's grandkids avoid a similar fate.

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Don Corlemahomes Veteran Join Date: May 2014 Casino cash: $10025348	It's a weird thing, to wanna beat your kid. Kids are small and helpless, and are your own flesh and blood. You'd think the LAST person on earth to hit a child would be that child's own parent, and yet here we are. Beating kids is so common that it's practically a comedic mainstay at this point, from Eddie Murphy's mom throwing a shoe at him to Bill Cosby talking about his dad's fearsome belt. There was a recent episode of Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown set in L.A.'s Koreatown, and all these Korean chefs were laughing about how their parents used to punish them by putting them in stress positions for hours on end: standing and holding books until their arms gave out, etc. Torture, essentially. The chefs were all giggling at the memories, like veterans telling war stories. The beatings were a shared heritage among them. There is an imaginary line between corporal punishment and abuse, and the story of Adrian Peterson beating the shit out of his kid with a tree branch demonstrates the insane variance in where Americans see that line. Some people applauded Peterson for this. While others, of course, think he belongs in a jail cell. Peterson said his dad used to beat him with an electrical cord, so he considered his own parenting methods to be HUMANE by comparison, which is insane. But that's what happens in a culture of beating. Beating is a tradition that parents hand down to children, who then hand it down (with great force) to their own children, until an entire family tree of abuse has sprung forth. Given the way abuse can spread, it's a wonder any child makes it out of childhood unscathed. And since it's so common, people will twist their minds around pretty much any excuse to justify this cycle. My parents beat me, and I turned out fine!, etc. The idea of abuse gets buried under comedic euphemisms like "whoopin'." HAHA HIS DAD GAVE HIM A WHOOPIN'. Hilarious. Now, this is the part where I point out that study after study after study has proven that corporal punishment—even a light spanking—does not work. At all. Corporal punishment makes kids sullen, violent, and angry. I know this because I have dabbled in corporal punishment with my own children, particularly my oldest kid. (Poor first children are always the beta kids: the kids parents ** up with the most before applying better techniques to their younger siblings.) I have tried spanking the kid, and giving the kid a light smack on the head, and threatening the kid. My dad spanked me once or twice as a child. That's it. I don't even remember it, really. And yet I've probably tried more ways of physically correcting my child than he ever did. And the reason I tried all of these methods is because I am a failure. That's what corporal punishment is. It's a failure. It's a complete breakdown of communication between parent and child. Children are unpredictable, reckless, and occasionally violent. They can drive otherwise rational humans into fits of rage. And I have had moments—many moments, certainly—where I have felt that rage after exhausting every last possible idea to get them to behave: bribery, timeouts, the silent treatment, walking away (they follow you!), distraction, throwing the kids outside (they end up ringing the doorbell a lot), you name it. So I have tried corporal punishment as a final resort, a desperate last stab at closure. That's an easy way for parents to justify it: You forced me to do this, child. Spanking the kid did nothing for me. It only made me realize what a **ing failure I was. Oh, and the kid still kept yelling. Spanking and beating your kid teaches your kid to talk with violence. It validates hitting as a legitimate form of communication. Everything is modeled. I have yelled at my kids, and then seen them yell. I have smacked my kid, and then watched her smack someone else. They don't learn to be good from any of it. They don't learn to sit still and practice piano sonatas. All they learn is, Hey, this works! And then they go practice what you just preached. Beating a kid creates an atmosphere of toxicity in a house that lingers forever: One beating leads to the next, and to the next, and to the next, until parents don't even know why they're beating the kid anymore. They just do. Once it is normalized, it takes root. Parents begin to like the habit. Those pictures of Peterson's kid? The violence can get worse... much worse... so much worse it's astonishing. It takes an endless amount of patience to handle a demanding child, and lots of people don't have that patience. We also happen to live in an age of instant gratification, so the idea of spending 10 full minutes getting a child to calm down is agony. People are hurried, stressed, and selfish. If they try beating a kid and it "works," they'll go right to that well the second the kid acts up. Beating a kid is fast and easy, which is what makes it so terrifying. And no parent ever thinks of him- or herself as a child abuser, no matter how bad the abuse gets. There's also a strange political bent to all this... a "Don't tell me how to raise my kids!" attitude, where people demand the freedom to punish their kids however they like, but their kids are not allowed any freedom FROM that discipline. You need tolerance, intelligence, and love to make it work. Sometimes, I am able to pull this off. Sometimes, I talk the kid down, and then I go to my wife and I'm like DUDE THEY CALMED DOWN AND I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO YELL GIMME A COOKIE. And sometimes, I fail miserably and start yelling like a crazy person, only to realize what a shitty job I'm doing. I am getting better (I haven't tried spanking a kid in years), but I still have a lot of work to do. I cannot yell. I cannot hit. No parent ever should. No parent or child will ever get anything productive from it. You are not a hippy-dippy asshole when you avoid spanking. That's a cultural stigma that only justifies further abuse, and it's a cheap way of getting out of the legwork necessary to be a better parent: reading books, going to parenting classes, etc. People think they've tried everything when they really haven't. If it takes sending Adrian Peterson to jail to explain "don't hit your kids" concept to all the junior Bob Knights out there, so be it. Go ahead and look at those pictures again and tell me what good will come from it. Because I don't see it. I don't see how 10 lashings do the trick instead of just one. I don't see how that lesson won't be taught to that child again and again and again, until it isn't a lesson at all. And I don't see how Peterson's grandkids avoid a similar fate. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/why...9/+robharvilla
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