Proof positive that Russell Wilson is a game manager

[GoChargers]

The Seattle Seahawks advanced to the Super Bowl in one of the most improbable comebacks in playoff history. Russell Wilson completed his final five passes, including a game-winning 35-yard touchdown in overtime to Jermaine Kearse.

Before the final five minutes and overtime, however, Wilson was abysmal. He threw a career-high four interceptions and became the second player in the Super Bowl era to win a postseason game with that many picks. Through three quarters, Wilson had a 0.2 Total QBR, and although he increased that number to 13.6 with his late-game heroics, Wilson finished the game with the lowest Total QBR in a postseason win since 2006.

This is not the first time that Seattle has won despite Wilson’s inefficiency. In fact, since 2012, Wilson’s first year in the league, the Seahawks have 15 wins in which their quarterback posted a below-average Total QBR, five more than any other team in the NFL. That includes both of Seattle’s NFC Championship wins during that time.

Since Wilson entered the league, he has a 63.7 Total QBR in the regular season and playoffs, which ranks eighth among 31 qualified quarterbacks. Wilson deserves credit for his above-average QBR during that time, but does that equate to a 42-13 (.764 win percentage) career record?

Based on Wilson’s game-level QBRs in the last three seasons, he has almost 10 more wins than expected. No other player has six more wins than expected during that time.

So how have Wilson and the Seahawks been able to defy the odds? One word: defense.

In the last three seasons, the Seahawks have contributed 4.4 points per game to their net scoring margin on defense, by far the best defensive efficiency in the NFL. Only Alex Smith (2.1) and Andy Dalton (2.1) have had defenses that contributed more than two expected points per game in their starts during that time.

Seattle’s defense has a knack for playing its best when Wilson and the offense are at their worst. Since the start of 2012, Wilson has had 22 games with a QBR below 50, including 15 wins. In those games, Seattle has held its opponents to an average QBR of 34.0 and has had a per-game defensive efficiency of +7.3. In Wilson’s games with an above-average QBR, the Seahawks have allowed a 45.7 average QBR and have had a +2.4 defensive efficiency rating.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...russell-wilson

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Numbah One

Alex is the poverty version of Russell.

Russell throws the ball down the field and is an elite scrambler.

Alex does not throw the ball down the field and is a decent scrambler.

Russell Wilson is absolutely better than Alex Smith for the exact reasons you list.

But that doesn't mean he's an elite QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Jesus ****ing Christ, not everything on earth is analogous to your shitty cooking skills. Get a new shtick.

Poverty was not a term invented by yours truly, but it is a catchall term to describe something inferior.

Plus it's just damn silly.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Russell Wilson is absolutely better than Alex Smith for the exact reasons you list.

But that doesn't mean he's an elite QB.

He's not a top 5 QB, but top 10, certainly. When Brady, Brees and Manning retire he will very quickly be top 5.

[RunKC]

Hootie shitting all over Tom Brady is pretty funny. 95% of the Patriots dominant surrounding cast from his 3 SB titles have been retired for years.

And Brady is still going to SB's without them. Comparing that to Russell Wilson is a fallacy.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Russell Wilson did literally nothing in the Saints playoff win.
Then he had one good play to score a mere 7 of the teams 23 points. No mention of Lynch scoring a 40 yard TD run and the defense getting 2 INT's (one winning them the game and sending them to the SB).

Then the Seahawks anally raped Denver by defense. But lets give credit to the Wilson for throwing a quick 7 yard slant that turned into a long TD because Denver's DB's missed 3 tackles.

I'd take Luck over Wilson any day and so would 95% of league and its fans (exclusion=Hootie and all of Seattle's bandwagoners)

you can literally do this exercise for every elite NFL QB in the NFL.

Rodgers almost got to another Super Bowl by doing absolutely nothing in the NFCCG last week (0 1st downs in the 4th quarter)

Tom Brady admitted he was terrible in the Lee Evans AFCCG that they won in 2011.

We all know Peyton has had a slew of bad playoff games, one that is often referenced is against KC in his Super Bowl year where he was pretty bad and his team won.

I don't know what else I can do on this board.

I have devoted thousands of posts proving you can make any QB look like a choker if you really want to ... I could analyze all 21 of Tom's playoff wins and conclude he was below average or not the most important factor of his team winning that game in over half of them.

It's ridiculous. This is the most ridiculous debate ever.

Andrew Luck has had 3 terrible playoff games in his career so far and gets a pass for every one because he's Andrew Luck.

Russell Wilson put up an 88 QBR in a Super Bowl, won, and he's Alex Smith.

...it's just

hilarious

[Joe Seahawk]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Seattle's defense was top 10 in yards per game and points per game in 2011 with T-Jack and Whitehurst under center, so this explanation makes no sense.

That was tongue in cheek. It's gets old that a great leader and clutch QB like Russel gets no credit because of the great D. I remember the pats having a pretty damn God D when Brady won B2B 10 years ago

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Numbah One

Poverty was not a term invented by yours truly, but it is a catchall term to describe something inferior.

Plus it's just damn silly.

Maybe if didn't use it a bajillionteen times a day in every conceivable situation. It this point it belongs in a sport coat at the Chuckle Hut in Des Moines on a Tuesday.

[tk13]

I do still think Seattle's defense gets shortchanged though. They are doing this in an era where the rules and style of play are completely slanted to the offense. And they still go out there and dominate.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Maybe if didn't use it a bajillionteen times a day in every conceivable situation. It this point it belongs in a sport coat at the Chuckle Hut in Des Moines on a Tuesday.

I'm glad it annoys you so. I will continue to use it.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hootie shitting all over Tom Brady is pretty funny. 95% of the Patriots dominant surrounding cast from his 3 SB titles have been retired for years.

And Brady is still going to SB's without them. Comparing that to Russell Wilson is a fallacy.

you are truly a ****ing moron

this isn't a point I was even discussing

I compared "game manager" Tom to "game manager" Russell ... which is an absolutely perfect comparison.

Now, try and think back to 2003 after Tom won his 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years.

Would you have considered him an elite QB after that 2nd Super Bowl?

Yes or no.

[Joe Seahawk]

Dwight Clarks "the catch" was after Montana threw 3 picks.

Yep, it's super easy, you should never struggle in the playoffs.. Idiots!

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Numbah One

He's not a top 5 QB, but top 10, certainly. When Brady, Brees and Manning retire he will very quickly be top 5.

Exactly what I'm saying.

But I disagree on your second sentence. If those 3 retire tomorrow, you would still take Wilson over the following QB's?

Big Ben
Luck
Eli (look at his year last year with better talent)
Joe Flacco
Rodgers

[Joe Seahawk]

You guys are starting to piss me off!

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

I do still think Seattle's defense gets shortchanged though. They are doing this in an era where the rules and style of play are completely slanted to the offense. And they still go out there and dominate.

I don't short change it. They are fantastic. They are why I bet on Seattle to beat Denver last year when they were the underdogs.

I just find it hilarious that when Tom loses, every year, it's because "he doesn't have enough weapons."

Russell Wilson throws the ball to Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Luke Willson.

Why do some QB's get every excuse, and then other QB's get treated to the other end of the spectrum?

It's ridiculous.

GoChargers literally said he would let Russell Wilson walk before he'd give him an extension.

This is an actual post.

...it's just, wow

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

you are truly a ****ing moron

this isn't a point I was even discussing

I compared "game manager" Tom to "game manager" Russell ... which is an absolutely perfect comparison.

Now, try and think back to 2003 after Tom won his 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years.

Would you have considered him an elite QB after that 2nd Super Bowl?

Yes or no.

No. He started to become an elite QB when he took them to multiple SB's AFTER he won 3 and those players from his glory years left.