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Old 10-25-2014, 08:27 AM  
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Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?
It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:32 AM   #2
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:33 AM   #3
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This defense is playing better because Bob Sutton understands the strengths and weaknesses of the players better than last season, and is putting them in better positions to succeed.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:37 AM   #4
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This defense is playing better because Bob Sutton understands the strengths and weaknesses of the players better than last season, and is putting them in better positions to succeed.
I agree...and Hali is more important to Sutton's scheme than an over-priced safety.

KC should trade Berry, IMO...he's just too expensive for what he brings to the field.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:43 AM   #5
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Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.
I, too appreciate Hali and think he's been a terrific and relentless player for us. But...

Is he a 'leader'? Not bashing him in any way, but my read on Tamba is that he's more of a self motivated player who is somewhat introverted. Admittedly you don't need to be a rah-rah, boisterous, vocal dude to be a leader- Example is a language everyone speaks.

But I don't see him directing team mates on the field or grabbing guys on the sidelines to collaborate. Who is our leader on Defense?
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:46 AM   #6
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I agree...and Hali is more important to Sutton's scheme than an over-priced safety.

KC should trade Berry, IMO...he's just too expensive for what he brings to the field.
Pass rushers are always more important than safeties in any scheme.

But we should see how Sutton utilizes Berry's versatility with the adjustments he made from last year before we decide to just move on from him.

Berry, used properly, is a dynamic play maker that we don't have anywhere else on this defense.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:47 AM   #7
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I agree...and Hali is more important to Sutton's scheme than an over-priced safety.

KC should trade Berry, IMO...he's just too expensive for what he brings to the field.
This.

Not sure how I'd elect to handle Berry yet. His final contract year drops from 11.6 mil to 8.3 mil... Might just play him out on that deal, and then see what's what. If he really does look like a brokedick throughout this season and the offseason? Yeah, **** paying him even 8 mil in 2015.
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When Hali was injured last season the Chiefs defense struggled (with a healthy Berry in the line-up).

When Berry has been out this season, but Hali has still been available, the Chiefs defense hasn't missed a beat.
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Pass rushers are always more important than safeties in any scheme.

But we should see how Sutton utilizes Berry's versatility with the adjustments he made from last year before we decide to just move on from him.

Berry, used properly, is a dynamic play maker that we don't have anywhere else on this defense.
He was dynamic his rookie season...since then, has been over-hyped. He's a good player...but has never taken over a game or sealed a victory. When Houston went out ..KC tanked..when Berry was out..the defense got better.
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When Hali was injured last season the Chiefs defense struggled (with a healthy Berry in the line-up).

When Berry has been out this season, but Hali has still be available, the Chiefs defense hasn't missed a beat.
I just said the same thing...you're a smart man.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:51 AM   #12
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Hali is more important but how many more years does he give us? They might both be gone. I don't think we should pay Berry(trade if possible) and we should try to restructure Hali.
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He was dynamic his rookie season...since then, has been over-hyped. He's a good player...but has never taken over a game or sealed a victory. When Houston went out out..KC tanked..when Berry was out..the defense got better.
There's a reason I said "when used properly".

He hasn't been.

I'd like to see if Sutton has figured that out.
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This defense is playing better because Bob Sutton understands the strengths and weaknesses of the players better than last season, and is putting them in better positions to succeed.
That, and Kendrick Lewis is gone
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We led the league in terms of defending the tight end last year.

Berry needs to be a chief for a while.
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