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Old 07-25-2012, 11:01 PM   #1
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I think one big thing to consider here is that Bruce wasn't learning how to conquer his fear of death. He'd already done that.

He was learning how important fear is. The issue is he needed the fear back. I think that plays pretty heavily into his escape. Perhaps not so heavily into defeating Bane, I'll grant you. But I don't think it was entirely pointless or inconsequential.

The movie, to me, seemed to be like Batman Begins in reverse. The whole second half was more about Bruce vs himself than Batman vs Bane. Not arguing that as a strength or a weakness, just making an observation.

I'm fine with Bane being muscle and less brains. And in the end Batman still wasn't going to be able to defeat Bane on his own. But, again, I'm not sure that's what it was about.

And the Breaking Bad crack was just that. It was a crack. Me making fun of myself more than anything. Your comment sounded similar to some of mine re: that show. And I don't think it's worlds apart, frankly. We've seen characters on BB acting completely out of character for the sake of plot, and sometimes, even plot "twists."
Before I read more of this thread, I have to clarify this whole thing.

In the prison, the old guy says that you have to have a fear of death, or you have nothing help you beyond the point of reason. to paraphrase, "how can you fight beyond what you can, how can persevere beyond what is possible without a fear of death, because without the fear of death, you have nothing to fight for"

The rope is nothing more than a safety net, no one ever makes the jump because if they don't make it they know they will still live. Take the rope away, and if you miss the jump, you die.

Batman lost to Bane in the first fight cause he didn't care if he won or lost, if he died it was no big deal to him. He won the fight the second time because he had something to fight for.

Also, it was mentioned in the prison that Bane's mask alleviates the pain of the injuries from when Bane got the shit kicked out of him helping Talia escape. If you watch the second fight between Batman and Bane, you will notice Batman going for the mask.

If this was made clear in the remainder of the thread, sorry, but I was reading this and wanted to help clarify it.
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:53 AM   #2
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In the prison, the old guy says that you have to have a fear of death, or you have nothing help you beyond the point of reason. to paraphrase, "how can you fight beyond what you can, how can persevere beyond what is possible without a fear of death, because without the fear of death, you have nothing to fight for"

Thank you. You said it in the way I was trying to say it but failed miserably.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:33 PM   #3
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:04 PM   #4
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Did anyone else feel like the "court room" scenes were tailor made for the Joker?
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:07 PM   #5
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Did anyone else feel like the "court room" scenes were tailor made for the Joker?
Holy shit. Didn't think if that
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:18 PM   #6
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Holy shit. Didn't think if that
Yeah to me Dr. Crane felt out of place as the judge.
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:45 PM   #7
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Yeah to me Dr. Crane felt out of place as the judge.
It kinda worked, as I was used to seeing him in court, but now that you mention it, it would be better suited with joker up there.
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:34 PM   #8
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:09 PM   #9
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Did anyone else feel like the "court room" scenes were tailor made for the Joker?
Yes and no.

I had that same thought. And it would have been funny. But Joker was so much about chaos and anarchy that having him as a judge dolling out sentences in an "orderly" court would have felt really false, to me.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:01 PM   #10
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BTW, anyone catch the "Man of Steel" trailer? It was ok, but i was disappointed because it wasnt the longer one shown at Comic Con. It really didnt reveal much.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:05 PM   #11
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BTW, anyone catch the "Man of Steel" trailer? It was ok, but i was disappointed because it wasnt the longer one shown at Comic Con. It really didnt reveal much.
It showed Cavil walking with a scruffy beard, with a Russell Crowe voiceover... Then Supes breaking the speed of sound through the clouds.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:12 PM   #12
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BTW, anyone catch the "Man of Steel" trailer? It was ok, but i was disappointed because it wasnt the longer one shown at Comic Con. It really didnt reveal much.
I didn't realize Christopher Nolan was doing the Man of Steel. Can't wait for this one.
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I didn't realize Christopher Nolan was doing the Man of Steel. Can't wait for this one.
He's only producing it. Zack Snyder is directing.
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He's only producing it. Zack Snyder is directing.
Is he even producing? I thought he was just "grandfathering" it. Whatever that means.

I think if Nolan has a producer credit on the film, it's token.
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Yes and no.

I had that same thought. And it would have been funny. But Joker was so much about chaos and anarchy that having him as a judge dolling out sentences in an "orderly" court would have felt really false, to me.
I agree with this. The false choice nature of the exile-or-death sentencing was Jokeresque, but the whole ideological force behind the "Occupy Gotham" movement was not Joker's style. I think he'd have been trying to expose the League of Shadows' self-righteousness, if anything.

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I think if Nolan has a producer credit on the film, it's token.
That's how I'm treating it. As advertisement, basically.
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