Science Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe - Page 8

Crush · 03-19-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

Boy, this thread went from "Wow, cool...science!" to DC in no time.

Because the impotent Canaanite god can't defend himself from reality. Man has to do it for him.

Strongside · 03-19-2014, 08:34 AM

You guys realize that arguing about what you're arguing about is pointless right? You're never going to get anyone that believes either side of this to convert to your opinion by offering it up on a web forum. True belief in anything can only come through personal research and study. Anyone that believes something simply because someone says it to be true doesn't actually believe it.

If I post a new thread stating that we've just traded for Desean Jackson, you'd all ask me for a link. Whether you believe in science or any religion...go find your own link.

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

You guys realize that arguing about what you're arguing about is pointless right? You're never going to get anyone that believes either side of this to convert to your opinion by offering it up on a web forum. True belief in anything can only come through personal research and study. Anyone that believes something simply because someone says it to be true doesn't actually believe it.

If I post a new thread stating that we've just traded for Desean Jackson, you'd all ask me for a link. Whether you believe in science or any religion...go find your own link.

I'm with you. I did the research and have for years. Happens to be something I care strongly about. The fact people like Donkeystone doesn't understand science only reinforces his ignorant beliefs. No one elses.

Strongside · 03-19-2014, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I'm with you. I did the research and have for years. Happens to be something I care strongly about. The fact people like Donkeystone doesn't understand science only reinforces his ignorant beliefs. No one elses.

Sure. But his ignorant beliefs are still his beliefs. Let him do his thang and you do yours. I am an atheist, but I don't, and never would, try to push those beliefs on anyone else and all that I ask is that members of other faiths show the same respect to me in return.

Messier · 03-19-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

Sure. But his ignorant beliefs are still his beliefs. Let him do his thang and you do yours. I am an atheist, but I don't, and never would, try to push those beliefs on anyone else and all that I ask is that members of other faiths show the same respect to me in return.

That's good.

I only problem I have with, "evangelical atheism", is the idea that people who believe in god are ignorant, or stupid. I've said on here before, I've known some dumb atheists, and some of the most brilliant people I've ever known are christian. It does nothing to belittle someone for their beliefs.

And done.

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I'm with you. I did the research and have for years. Happens to be something I care strongly about. The fact people like Donkeystone doesn't understand science only reinforces his ignorant beliefs. No one elses.

lol, you haven't answered one thing, you are skirting the issue. If you just said let's agree to disagree I'd have more respect for you, but you can't even do that.

Messier · 03-19-2014, 08:40 AM

Science will never say, god created the universe, because it can't. Science must stay to what is in the natural world. Once god enters the equation, you're talking faith and believe. I don't for a second think you can't have both, but you'll never come to the scientific conclusion that god created the universe.

And this needs to leave the lounge.

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Science will never say, god created the universe, because it can't. Science must stay to what is in the natural world. Once god enters the equation, you're talking faith and believe. I don't for a second think you can't have both, but you'll never come to the scientific conclusion that god created the universe.

And this needs to leave the lounge.

yep, and the psuedo-theoretial-magic behind the theory of the big bang and what caused it breaks all the scientific laws that these same scientists claim are fundamental to understanding the universe and how it works. It's the irony of ironies and it's really quit baffling as to how hypcritical the whole thing is.

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

yep, and the psuedo-theoretial-magic behind the theory of the big bang and what caused it breaks all the scientific laws that these same scientists claim are fundamental to understanding the universe and how it works. It's the irony of ironies and it's really quit baffling as to how hypcritical the whole thing is.

OK quit trolling.

SeeingRed · 03-19-2014, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Science will never say, god created the universe, because it can't. Science must stay to what is in the natural world. Once god enters the equation, you're talking faith and believe. I don't for a second think you can't have both, but you'll never come to the scientific conclusion that god created the universe.

And this needs to leave the lounge.

Einstein quote: "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

beach tribe · 03-19-2014, 09:11 AM

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Einstein quote: "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."/A. Einstein

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 09:07 AM

Okay let's agree to disagree. There has never been nothing. There is no nothing anywhere at any time. It's hard for man to wrap his limited brain around because of how poorly the human mind works. All we know from our very very limited view of the universes is how things work on earth. Beginnings and ends. Therefore this pattern must be cast on the universe.

Just because our minds seek patterns is no reason to assume this pattern is true everywhere. There was something before the Big Bang probably lots of something's. What it was we don't have anything more than speculation because of the limits of our minds and instruments.

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Okay let's agree to disagree. There has never been nothing. There is no nothing anywhere at any time. It's hard for man to wrap his limited brain around because of how poorly the human mind works. All we know from our very very limited view of the universes is how things work on earth. Beginnings and ends. Therefore this pattern must be cast on the universe.

Just because our minds seek patterns is no reason to assume this pattern is true everywhere. There was something before the Big Bang probably lots of something's. What it was we don't have anything more than speculation because of the limits of our minds and instruments.

fair enough

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 09:11 AM

I agree almost everything is a miracle, except ticks, **** them. It's a natural miracle, but miraculous none the less.

beach tribe · 03-19-2014, 09:13 AM

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I agree almost everything is a miracle, except ticks, **** them. It's a natural miracle, but miraculous none the less.

Whether you believe in God or not, existence is a miracle.

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